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Empire Copying Slots
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Reiisha
#1 - 2011-12-07 04:01:21 UTC
Is it just me or is it impossible to get a copy slot without having to wait at least 2 weeks? Kind of annoying if you only need one for 1 minute >_>

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#2 - 2011-12-07 04:20:23 UTC
Most copy, ME, PE and invention slots are used 24/7.

Sometimes even manufacture slots are all in use.

You need a POS if you're in a hurry.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#3 - 2011-12-07 04:27:14 UTC
It's mostly ME/copy that are the bottlenecks (in most regions, especially once you get away from Jita). They're the top two reasons to put up a POS tower in hi-sec.

PE slots are easy to find - unlike ME research, most people don't do excessive amounts of PE research. For instance, something where you want 25 ME 5 PE, you need 5x as long in a ME research slot vs a PE research slot.

Invention slots are generally easy to find, but there are only 20 in a station. So you may have to get away from the trade hubs to have easy access to those in a hi-sec station.

Manuf slots (50 per station) are also easier to find as you move away from trade hubs.
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
#4 - 2011-12-07 05:04:12 UTC
As Scrapyard says: move away from hubs and you will find plenty of free slots with the exception of ME research.
Some low-sec systems even have free ME slots within a few days.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#5 - 2011-12-07 05:48:02 UTC
This has been mentioned many times before, but there's no solution short of creating an infinite number of slots available to the public.

They could double or triple the number of slots available as of now, and within a few weeks, it'd be the same situation, big queues as people simply start using them more. Eventually it might settle down again as the market gets flooded, but there's no guarantees of that Roll

Hunt around, try different regions, and check out low-sec, there's normally some fairly quiet labs, and as long as you're careful, you should be ok.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-07 11:21:29 UTC
Emma Royd wrote:
This has been mentioned many times before, but there's no solution short of creating an infinite number of slots available to the public.


get a POS you scrub

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Reiisha
#7 - 2011-12-07 13:15:52 UTC
Planning on getting a small pos somewhere, but as it stands now they cost about 300m a month to run for a small one... Either fuel is more expensive than i remember or fuel blocks havent dropped far enough yet.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-07 13:30:24 UTC
If your going to use a PoS, I would suggest go for a large one over a small or medium. Sure it costs more, but once you get going with research/invention/manufacturing you will find you run out of PG/CPU. Or atleast i did and just went to a large for the flexibility. Also should you decide to run more than 1 character doing stuff att eh PoS, having a large one means you can use the characters to their full potential. As you said already, the downside is the fuel cost, but if you do it right, you will easily cover fuel costs and make bank.
Nekopyat
Nee-Co
#9 - 2011-12-07 15:02:15 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Planning on getting a small pos somewhere, but as it stands now they cost about 300m a month to run for a small one... Either fuel is more expensive than i remember or fuel blocks havent dropped far enough yet.


Yeah, that tends to be the big barrier to entry for having a presence in space, the lower threshold for fuel costs is pretty high and you have be a fairly dedicated player to break even.

And now with the PI taxes, fueling your own POS without having to inject ISK is a lot more difficult. It used to be you could do almost the entire chain with only the loss of opportunity cost.. now, not so much.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#10 - 2011-12-07 15:08:14 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Planning on getting a small pos somewhere, but as it stands now they cost about 300m a month to run for a small one... Either fuel is more expensive than i remember or fuel blocks havent dropped far enough yet.


Fuel blocks will be overpriced for at least the next 2-3 weeks.

Estimated prices: (millions of ISK/30d, S/M/L towers, fuel pellet price with no mark-up)

Amarr: 119 / 221 / 425 - 14768 ISK/u
Caldari: 121 / 225 / 435 - 15099 ISK/u
Gallente: 189 / 362 / 708 - 24578 ISK/u
Minmatar: 122 / 227 / 438 - 15225 ISK/u

Prices for the above:

Coolant - 11.7k
Enriched Uranium - 14.0k
Mech Parts - 11.8k
Oxygen - 529
Robotics - 83.9k
HW - 220
Isotopes - 437-483 (Oxytopes at 1419)
LOz - 461

Old vs new Consumption (assuming a ME40 BPO of the fuel blocks and Production Efficiency V skill):

Coolant - 2/4/8 to 2/4/8
Enriched Uranium - 1/2/4 to 1/2/4
Mech Parts - 2/3/5 to 1/2/4
Oxygen - 7/13/25 to 5/10/20
Robotics - 1/1/1 to 0.25/0.50/1.00
Heavy Water - 38/75/150 to 38/75/150
Isotopes - 113/225/450 to 100/200/400
Liquid Ozone - 38/75/150 to 38/75/150

So Mech Parts consumption went down. Oxygen went down. Robotics was even or down. Isotopes went down.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#11 - 2011-12-07 15:47:26 UTC
Also, on a large tower, I tend to base my per-hour rates on the assumption that you'll be keeping 60 slots busy (between ME/copy slots which are at a premium). The invent/PE/manuf slots I value at a lower level, they still get factored in to the slot rate calculation, but at a reduced price (usually 1/2 the price of the ME/copy slots).

So for ME/copy slots: 430M ISK / 30d / 24h / 60 slots = 9950 ISK/hr

Not sure how others set their rates. For profit calculations, I'll be more pessimistic and assume 20% higher slot fees.
Skorpynekomimi
#12 - 2011-12-07 18:05:52 UTC
Yeah, pretty much. ANY useful slots are gonna be in use. Either put your BPO in the queue and wait, or find a moon to put a PoS on and do it before you're wardecced.

Economic PVP
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2011-12-07 18:20:19 UTC
If you just need a few copies, you should buy them from contracts.

I buy a _lot_ of BPC.
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#14 - 2011-12-07 21:37:45 UTC
Here's an idea. Although I don't have any copy slots I have a lot of available ME, PE and Invention slots that I can rent out to people at my Large Caldari tower. Why has this not EVER been implemented?

It's not like it is not possible as I now pay another Corp to use their PCO for Planetary Interaction or is it the CCP just implements features that cause conflict?
Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-12-07 22:26:44 UTC
1) low sec
2) put up your own tower (hire a service if you're new)
Dawnstar
Kiroshi Group
#16 - 2011-12-07 23:48:19 UTC
Reiisha, ping me in-game, I can probably work something out with whatever you need.