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Donation feature: getting PvE players involved in the sandbox
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-07-17 04:34:37 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Why not make a website for it? Call it ISKstarter and let people make their own lil projects. Take 10% of what they make as fees, and if it takes off, you're laughing.

Because third party websites are not within the client and they aren't supported by CCP.

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Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
#22 - 2014-07-17 07:14:54 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Why not make a website for it? Call it ISKstarter and let people make their own lil projects. Take 10% of what they make as fees, and if it takes off, you're laughing.

Because third party websites are not within the client and they aren't supported by CCP.



My suggestion would be to refine this idea further and repost once you've ironed out the bugs and answered the obvious ways this idea could and will be abused.

In the meantime if you want to get carebears to pay you, I'd suggest opening a missioner corp and running logistical support for them and get the tax reward.
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-07-18 03:49:31 UTC
Mhari Dson wrote:

My suggestion would be to refine this idea further and repost once you've ironed out the bugs and answered the obvious ways this idea could and will be abused.

No need. Since it's about charitable donations, players can't be tricked into it by offering them great rewards, like double ISK. If they throw away excess ISK, their problem. Sooner or later, the few genuine charity drive will emerge.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#24 - 2014-07-22 08:51:48 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Mhari Dson wrote:

My suggestion would be to refine this idea further and repost once you've ironed out the bugs and answered the obvious ways this idea could and will be abused.

No need. Since it's about charitable donations, players can't be tricked into it by offering them great rewards, like double ISK. If they throw away excess ISK, their problem. Sooner or later, the few genuine charity drive will emerge.

In a long list of hopelessly naive statements you have made about human nature, this is (maybe) number one of them all.

Context: Gevlon was scammed over and over by TEST, who abused his hopelessly lax 'donation' idea in the Fountain war. This previous attempt to prove the worth of donations also showed that outside of scamming someone offering to legit double ISK, people just stop donating.

Jury is out why he wants CCP to implement a completely useless feature into the client. Wait, no, it's not, it's just his own "virtual money is all that matters" rararararar stuff again.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#25 - 2014-07-22 12:41:08 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

In a long list of hopelessly naive statements you have made about human nature, this is (maybe) number one of them all.

Context: Gevlon was scammed over and over by TEST, who abused his hopelessly lax 'donation' idea in the Fountain war. This previous attempt to prove the worth of donations also showed that outside of scamming someone offering to legit double ISK, people just stop donating.

Jury is out why he wants CCP to implement a completely useless feature into the client. Wait, no, it's not, it's just his own "virtual money is all that matters" rararararar stuff again.



Nice thought but... You know... If the product he received was the product he expected, it wasn't really a scam was it?

Only way I can see this working for you Gevlon is if you started a small corporation of like-minded people to help you fund-drive, and do what everybody else does. Advertise. Questions of legitimacy will fade away if you post weekly screenshots of the corp wallet showing all of the isk going in is truly going out to the alliances it's supposed to support. After a little buildup you can just keep a link to your thread (probably in Crime and Punishment?) in your Bio, corp info, and maybe put a brief description at the beginning of the thread so that you can just put a TinyURL on some random jetcans in space.

If you're not trolling and you truly took the initiative to donate to those alliances, great. Player initiative is the only thing that's going to break up Sov. Keep up the good work. A donation UI interface won't inspire players to take initiative though, just to scam each other. You always have the option to continue to take initiative though.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#26 - 2014-07-22 13:03:07 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

In a long list of hopelessly naive statements you have made about human nature, this is (maybe) number one of them all.

Context: Gevlon was scammed over and over by TEST, who abused his hopelessly lax 'donation' idea in the Fountain war. This previous attempt to prove the worth of donations also showed that outside of scamming someone offering to legit double ISK, people just stop donating.

Jury is out why he wants CCP to implement a completely useless feature into the client. Wait, no, it's not, it's just his own "virtual money is all that matters" rararararar stuff again.



Nice thought but... You know... If the product he received was the product he expected, it wasn't really a scam was it?

Only way I can see this working for you Gevlon is if you started a small corporation of like-minded people to help you fund-drive, and do what everybody else does. Advertise. Questions of legitimacy will fade away if you post weekly screenshots of the corp wallet showing all of the isk going in is truly going out to the alliances it's supposed to support. After a little buildup you can just keep a link to your thread (probably in Crime and Punishment?) in your Bio, corp info, and maybe put a brief description at the beginning of the thread so that you can just put a TinyURL on some random jetcans in space.

If you're not trolling and you truly took the initiative to donate to those alliances, great. Player initiative is the only thing that's going to break up Sov. Keep up the good work. A donation UI interface won't inspire players to take initiative though, just to scam each other. You always have the option to continue to take initiative though.

Yeah, see your idea involves talking to and interacting with other people, which he thinks is a pointless waste of time. He's already done what you suggest, but because he refused to run it himself, his alliance got poached from him, and it was revealed that no one shared his 'vision' and were instead using him as a cash cow.

Gevlon's MO in Eve is "throw money at someone already doing X, claim I caused X to happen". This is just (another) extension of his 2 or 3 year long campaign to make people think hoarding ISK is the end goal of Eve.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#27 - 2014-07-22 13:34:21 UTC
I never considered throwing isk into a bottomless pit of destruction "hoarding". What a novel perspective.

Doesn't matter, all of your teeth gnashing will just convince the Grr Goons crowd that this is a great idea, since you haven't provided any legitimate case for not attempting this beyond "I don't like him". By all means continue.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#28 - 2014-07-22 16:55:21 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
I never considered throwing isk into a bottomless pit of destruction "hoarding". What a novel perspective.

Doesn't matter, all of your teeth gnashing will just convince the Grr Goons crowd that this is a great idea, since you haven't provided any legitimate case for not attempting this beyond "I don't like him". By all means continue.

You ... you need to just take a moment to look into the guy whose ideas you are supporting before you continue this embarassing series of posts, friend.

Or just learn to read good, because dozens of reasons this idea is brazenly awful on the face of it have already been provided.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#29 - 2014-07-22 17:28:32 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

You ... you need to just take a moment to look into the guy whose ideas you are supporting before you continue this embarassing series of posts, friend.

Or just learn to read good, because dozens of reasons this idea is brazenly awful on the face of it have already been provided.


You.... You need to take a deep breath, wrap yourself in one of those cozy moon-goo blankets with a nice cup of soykaf, and revisit what I wrote.

I never supported his idea. I suggested he would find it easier and it would be more efficient to organize this by himself than to get CCP to implement it.

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Dally Lama
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-07-23 12:23:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dally Lama
I'm not sure why people are saying "this would just lead to tons of scams" like it's a bad thing. That would be one of the best parts of this feature, in fact.

Food for thought, by the way: The New Order runs a donation drive. Scam or not, it's popular enough. Having a UI interface in game where people could do the donations - as well as lists of donators and a tally of where the ISK is going - would only serve to further increase the value, efficiency and effect of such donation drives/services/whateva.

Gevlon might I suggest creating an unrelated forum alt to post these ideas. You will never get the support you should because, well, your name to be honest.

+1 from me though.

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Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#31 - 2014-07-23 12:51:04 UTC
Well, why not integrate all the betting sites directly into the UI interface along with advertisement ? I believe more people use those services then donating ISK. So if we go by demand they should come first.

Why not ? Because it has nothing to do with the game, but with the community, like the donation feature suggestion. Its a community driven feature and should be treated as such.

-1 for implementation.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#32 - 2014-07-23 13:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
I suggested he would find it easier and it would be more efficient to organize this by himself than to get CCP to implement it.

Khanh'rhh wrote:
Yeah, see your idea involves talking to and interacting with other people, which he thinks is a pointless waste of time. He's already done what you suggest, but because he refused to run it himself, his alliance got poached from him, and it was revealed that no one shared his 'vision' and were instead using him as a cash cow.

His idea remains dumb unto itself, and he has shown repeatedly that he is both unwilling and unable (admittedly, on both counts) to lead anything himself.

I struggle to see your point other than some very basic need to go 'grrr goons', as has become the tired cliche of the nobody to do.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#33 - 2014-07-23 14:09:21 UTC
I have more than 10 times the amount of ISK than Gevlon? Now that's surprising.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#34 - 2014-07-27 10:49:18 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Nice thought but... You know... If the product he received was the product he expected, it wasn't really a scam was it?
Just to clarify on the TEST scam. Basically a donation board was set up. Gevlon then offered to double all donations to encourage people to donate. So TEST donated billions, Gevlon doubled it. They then withdrew those billions and re-donated them, and he doubled it. When he hit 40b he stopped and they tried to get him to double again but he kept putting it off. How he didn't see that one coming I have no idea.

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