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I only skimmed through the thread, so my apologies if this was already mentioned. It seems the list of Station/Outpost guests isn't updating. Anyone who docks after me doesn't show up unless I switch to the offices or agents tab and back to guests. The count in the tab title seems to be correct though.

Seriously guys, we've tried to point it out for years, all the drops downs show 6 items but there are almost always 7 in all Hanger division lists, and now also in the filtering combo boxes on many of the tabs, but you've still kept the limit at 6 so we have to scroll down for 1 poxy entry.

Please please please, just set them to at least 7. They've all got plenty of space below them, it's pointless being limited to 6. It's been 11 years now, and we still keep bringing this one up, and it's so easy to change.

Also with regards delivering items, we were previously able to select a bunch of items waiting for delivery and deliver ONLY those selected items. It would also be nice to have a button at the bottom where Delivery All Jobs is currently to say Deliver Selected Jobs.

Unfortunately security concerns, even virtual ones, are still given less thought in our trade then they should in my opinion.




This is fine, but this was broken by the change made to insist the blueprint was in the same location as the input. It never was previously which allowed people to operate blueprints in corps where they were securely locked down, but still usable by corp members, as the Input source was only ever for the materials required for the job.

Again this looks like it will be bringing back already years gone solved security issues/concerns for corp management.

On initial thought, it would suggest that they have reset the output destination in their scripts making changes. I have also got a similar issue, but trying the previously mentioned option of clearing out the hanger that was used as the source for the blueprint and attempting to deliver again have failed in my experience. Does look from the messages I'm receiving that it's trying to return it to a small cargo can, but that wasn't even the source, so it's very strange.

I know from knowledge that the array that it should have been being delivred to has plenty of space. However, on attempted inspection today I noticed another issue:

Inventory window opens when you click on the Access Storage for an Equipment Array, but then you cannot change selected Hangers on the left hand side. You can click on them, but simply nothing happens. I'm wondering if somehow the original hanger sections have become detached from the array, or something similarly strange?

So I closed the window, and repeated the task. Same issue first time, and then clicking on another hanger I got the Show Info window for the array. Thought that was rather strange, hid that and pressed CTRL like always in PvP to get rid of that damned window, and then clicking on the hanger sections seemed to work again.

Very strange UI behaviour.


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OK, so what was happening is that it was trying to deliver to the same Hanger as originally set as the output, but back in the station where the blueprints originated from. Unfortunately, it wasn't just trying to deliver to that hanger but to the first container in that hanger.

Removing all containers from that Hanger section allowed for successful output of the delivery.

With regards to my previous post about the output values being awarded to items installed in Research jobs of both types prior to the patch coming along, being seemingly disproportionate to the amount of time the job still has remaining:

Previously Installed Research Jobs Output Impact Appears Disproportionate to Awarded Values from Scripted Update

I would like to make the following practical suggestion.

How about you review the values set on the previous blueprints, and also on those that were installed prior to the patch (especially things like capital ships etc) and take the old Time for research, and multiple that by the appropriate ME and PE levels to find the Total time spend researching to date, and then compare that value to the figures that would equate to in your new system, and award those to the current blueprint values.

This would reward those owners for previous patience in this area of research, time and costs involved in the POS running in many cases, as most of us also lost out when you reduced the ME/TE values significantly. I'm not going to discuss the number of wasted year-slots, but it would at least also improve situations by comparing and equating directly to your new scales.

(ME Level * Previous ME Research Time) = Total Time => compared to existing scale, adopt suitable placement accordingly
Rinse repeat for Time Research

I understand this would have been better mentioned as a suggestion earlier, but to be honest I couldn't get on SiSi for the past week, and only had a week or so looking at the changes prior to that, and this couldn't be forecast from the players perspective as we didn't know what the adjustments you were going to make by script would be ahead of time.

I do, however, think much more time could have been taken to discuss major issues like this and the impact on Industry.

I'm sorry to say it, as I was keenly awaiting the changes, but sayings like 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' do come to mind in many areas.

It's always hard with such drastic changes, but I do think that the shift to 6 week expansion roll outs may have put you under too much pressure to do far too much in too short a space of time, and not having had more then a week to play on SiSi after having brought up such major issues in the test server threads as many of us did, we didn't even get time to see they were working on SiSi prior to the patch. I think you should have perhaps taken these major changes with a little slower pace, to ensure things like security of BPO access weren't compromised in regards POS/other access.

Whilst I actually appreciate and approve of the visualization of costs for research to make it much clearer to people that it TOO has an impact on the overheads of the business they are trying to run, I do think it still isn't great or well logged, not in the journal or more importantly with the context of to which it applies. It would actually be nice to see you logging total ME and TE research values cumulatively against each Blueprint, so the players can actually see how much money has been spent researching that item to date, and add that to the cost of the Blueprint purchase to know their exact outlay so they know they have to bring in at least that in Profit to actually break even and start to make an income from it. A couple of extra numerical fields per BP, not that bad in datastore terms really.

Again, the little time and notice before hand really isn't great to get good feedback from players on such important changes. People will say they put it in blogs, and I will say I come into the game to play the game, I only occasionally read the blogs on their website. You want to bring something important to my attention, put it in the game when I'm logging in in a big ar*e banner.

Having spent 11 years in the industrial aspects, as many others have also I'm sure, there was is a wealth of people to draw upon, but they have to have time to contribute, and you have to get their attention - an in game eve mail asking for opinions based on active weekly industrial activity might have been a way to go. Perhaps a thought for next time, so similar types of medium can be used to bring those people to engage in the forums (if that's where you want the discussions)?

I'll didn't take a screenshot at the time, sorry.

I tried to replicate this again this morning and it didn't seem to occur. Intermittent, is not that helpful I appreciate (I understand I hate finding these kinds of bugs as well).

I will see if I can get a replicate-able case together but given the intermittent nature it might be hard to pin down, as I had done a lot in that session (system jumps, remote access etc.) and wasn't running the logger.

I think I was actually in another region filtering the jobs in progress at the time, and had been estimating Time Research on a specific blueprint type to determine cost implications. Thinking about it, it may have been a combination of that blueprint selected being estimated in Time Research that was the item still listed in the filtered list of active jobs.

I'm also going to be tied up with work for the next three days or so it may be a while before I can actively try to replicate.

The problem is wrongly implemented automated script that converted active jobs from old system to new system and IMHO Dareth Astrars idea is good one!
Script should have read what end result of research job will be and then convert end result based on dev blog.
It wasn't done properly like that and now we have crazy situation where:

- someone with ME1 before patch puts in research of 5 levels (to old system ME6) and that buggy conversion scrip that was used converted that to 10% end product (ME1 converts to 5% and then adds 5 levels of 1%). Basically people only spent time required for 6 levels (1+5) to get equivalent of 10 levels = got free additional levels!
IF THIS FINISHED BEFORE PATCH IT WOULD BE CONVERTED TO 9% NOT 10%.

- someone with ME0 before patch puts in research of 5 levels (to old system ME 5) and buggy script converts that to 5% end product instead of 9% (ME0 is converted to ME0% and adds 5 level of 1%)
IF THIS FINISHED BEFORE PATCH IT WOULD BE CONVERTED TO 9% NOT 5%.

- someone with ME0 before patch puts in research to ME 1 level and buggy script converts that to 1% end product instead of 5% (ME0 is converted to ME0% and adds 1 level of 1%)
IF THIS FINISHED BEFORE PATCH IT WOULD BE CONVERTED TO 5% NOT 1%.

In my case I stopped research from ME0->ME1 as I would need to wait 10 more days to get only 1% print.
Just reran job in same station under new system and for 2mil and 5 days I will have 5% print.
But other people aren't so lucky because of that active research job conversion script that was written wrong.

Ok maybe i have missed something in the patchnotes or my math is fail. Im trying to build a phoenix from a former ME 9 copy.
This Copy now has ME -9%.

The old BPC would have needed 10 propulsion parts but now it needs 11. Well basicly it needs more of everything suddenly, it need about 10% more capital parts now.

Where does this come from?

Edit: nvm my math was really fail ;)

Standings no longer matter to reprocessing, each NPC station is now a base 50%. The only way to get the Max amount is with every skill at 5 and the +4 implant. Does not matter if you have 9.99 standing with Tash. CCP Made sure that as of Crius getting standings except for mission runners... was absolutely useless.

but besides the math:
we were promised bpo's wouldn't get worse because of this patch. But now a previously perfect bpo is now generating waste. CCP could just have chosen to keep rounding on BOTH single-unit material values (rounding up and down to nearest, as before) and then add rounding on the total job for the new facility and team modifiers. Especially for capital ships that use relatively small amounts of materials (cap components) rounding matters quite a bit.

For T2 drones they hand-tuned the materials so they still only need 1 robotics for a small drone, so they know about the problem....

I set 80% of my capital bpo's to effectively ME10 after scripts, but that sill leaves the remainder producing waste :(