Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A large number of the lvl5's are old lvl4's. They moved the most difficult ones to low-sec only and named them lvl5

Although I dont believe in the "move all lvl4 missions to lowsec" argument and dismiss it as a ploy for nullsec cartels to gain more taxable citizens, I do believe the current set of lvl4's give an average player enough ISK to enjoy this game.

The way it is now, lvl5's provide an excellent income source for lowsec dwellers capable of running them. I think the added risk of getting dropped or otherwise interrupted should remain a part of running those lvl5's as it sets those missions apart from the others and allow for a different gaming-experience.

Just goes to show you nothing really ever changes. There are some good arguments in there to support level 5s staying in lowsec only and there a couple of salient points that gave them a reason to exist in high. YMMV I think level 5s belong in highsec as an empire activiry and introduce pirate stations to 0.1&0.2 systems that aren't in fw. The first step is clarifying what belongs where.

Oh so a whole game rebalanced from the floor up isn't enough of hint for you?

The game has changed mate and it's time that the activities we do get some rebalancing as well. Not just missions but belt rats and sleepers and exploration sites and anomolies. All of it. End of the day CCP controls the isk flow.

It's called Features & Ideas. Solely meant for people to propose ideas and features that CCP have not implemented in such a state.

Your reasoning of "that's how it is", especially 4 years ago which was around Incarna, is quite a toxic way of thinking.

It's called "features and ideas", not "bring back a bug from half a decade ago".

There was a reason this was changed, you realize. They were never intended to be in highsec, not at the beginning, not four years ago, and not now. And certainly not because a few people are bored (shockingly) with shooting red crosses.

Try shooting other players if you don't want to be bored.

To achieve what exactly?

Did you know there are L4 agents in lowsec already?



I didn't know that. Interesting. It happened in 2010 so I was definitely around for it but probably not aware of the issue as I didn't go on the forums at the time.

There are for example an astounding 3 level 5 cal navy agents. 1 is in a FW constellation. The other is in the Vale entrance pocket. I get that pirates "need" an income but this is ridiculous. It's not even like they're evenly distributed. If one of those agents was moved to say, Dantumi or Ishomilken then I might find the various arguments about pirates using them as a source of income as credible. Right now, I think you're going to have a hard time telling me -10s will travel 20 jumps just to run some missions in a goonswarm launchpad system.

So are level 3s. 86m/hour

So is mining, if you're organised.


Given how much can be made OUT of high sec, but isn't because /effort, I don't think the problem is the risk/reward so much as the fundamental laziness of people in general.

I would definitely like to see a new classification of missions added to highsec, perhaps reclassify current L5 to L6 and add a new L5 classification designed for pilots like myself that basically has every defensive and offensive BS skill maxed thus making L4 runs too easy.

I have to say on missions that they need a complete revamp. I just ran through most of the Guristas epic arc and it is much more fun and challenging than the standard missions. I lost a taranis in the process but made back 4 times it's worth and had much more enjoyment in the process. I really do believe that all missions should be harder in some way either via better mission rat AI on at least some of the rats (NPC capsuleer commanders of the fleet with incursion style AI for example). Randomizing the missions would be an excellent start so the abomination that is eve-survival can be exorcised with plasma. And melta-guns (wrong game but the effect is much the same...).

Pilots need to learn to take more risk by being enticed to do so. With me it was the risk of running through null and running the missions. Not having to take large chunks of time to do so was a bonus. More risk better rewards just as it should be. More of this please...

And before those who live in null yell 'Join a corp!' I am already in one, but I often play solo and these kind of missions are great for me. I had fun, I did something different and I created content for those in and around that area who may have tried to catch me and who provided the replacement taranis and mods at 30% higher cost.

Have more incentives like these and you will draw more players like myself into lower sec regions. Even 10% of the hisec folks trying out content like this would add nearly 50% to the number of pilots in null space.

I thought the TiDi problem was due to the number of players in a single system? Randomizing missions systems and managing the number of 'smart' AI compared to dumber than dumb AI would smooth out the issue hopefully. Considering that 80% of players run their game in hisec systems simply dismissing improvement to their area isn't an option in my book. That would be ignoring 4/5's of the player base. Not the smartest move for player retention.