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My rant about the price of playing elitist EVE...get over it.

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Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#21 - 2014-07-23 00:03:50 UTC
Xeris 7 wrote:

I know this happens but I had not thought of doing it as I really don't know much about the metagame. Thx for the suggestion...sounds interesting and you make a good point.


Anything I can do to wring a few more tears out of the HTFU crowd. Lol

Keep in mind it'll be just as much of an investment in time, but that time will be spent doing something interesting, and not plexing or grinding. Any passive income you have should be plenty to cover costs and once you get the hang of it you'll be surprised how many corpmates appreciate your hard work.

An F1 monkey is just an F1 money though, no matter what he flies.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#22 - 2014-07-23 01:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Xeris 7 wrote:


So, 4 bil/16mil per tick is 250 ticks. 250 ticks * 20 minutes per tick is 5000 minutes. 5000m/60 minutes per hour is 83.3 hours. At 6 hours per week farming is 13.8 weeks of my life to afford a fleet fit Dread.
the first on here and I’m sure it won’t be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right?


In pblrd you'd be subject to endless derision for being a raven pilot.

Bounty Prizes 27,161,212.50 ISK 5,868,294,001.53 ISK [r] Tauranon got bounty prizes for killing pirates in

Dominix in forsaken hubs, no faction npc - that has 3 nerfs over its best performances (nerf to dda II + garde II dps, nerf to omnis, and nerf to bounties from ess). Prior to all that, the best I shot was 29m, but that's gone off my journal.

You should be able to turn over 25s in sanctums, forsaken hubs, havens and regular hubs, since I believe FCON holds the same type of space I do, and as a line member they ought to let you use a better system than I do (mine is -0.17, the worst band for anomalies). The Ishtar will get ~20m semi afk.
Alt Two
Caldari Capital Construction Inc.
#23 - 2014-07-23 06:19:55 UTC
20 minutes per tick is some serious Tidi, as normally the server ticks once per second. You should switch to another system.
And at 16 mil per tick you should be able to afford your dread in just over 4 minutes.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-07-23 06:25:26 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
People PvP in their own dreads? "Hey guys, we are going to war, everyone brings his own dread, giddyup folks."

I'm glad I own my own dread, because poking whatever director happens to be on at the time to loan me a corp dread doesn't exactly lend itself to quick response.

There was a fleet a few months ago where a Nyx got tackled. I was able to undock and jump to the cyno right away to help kill it. A corpmate of mine had to loan a dread, and even with a director online, active, and responsive wasn't able to get it fast enough to make the fleet.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-07-23 06:27:30 UTC
Alt Two wrote:
20 minutes per tick is some serious Tidi, as normally the server ticks once per second. You should switch to another system.
And at 16 mil per tick you should be able to afford your dread in just over 4 minutes.

Not the same kind of tick. NPC bounties pay out once every 20 minutes (which iirc happens to be independent of tidi, not that it makes any difference). So 16m per tick is 48m per hour. Which is, frankly, quite pitiful still.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2014-07-23 06:40:58 UTC
I think the value of a Dread is measured by the amount of Isk you can destroy before you loose it. The price however is justified.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#27 - 2014-07-23 06:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I think the value of a Dread is measured by the amount of Isk you can destroy before you loose it. The price however is justified.

That's another thing. If you have a name starting with A or something, your dread is "worth less" under some of these SRP systems as you lose and hardly get anything from it.

Whereas it's worth as much as another dread to the alliance that is using them to shoot stuff


Of course if everyone started their name with M, then the people who had "Ma---" would be the one dying. I mean of course someone in the dread blob will die...

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2014-07-23 07:03:37 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I think the value of a Dread is measured by the amount of Isk you can destroy before you loose it. The price however is justified.

That's another thing. If you have a name starting with A or something, your dread is "worth less" under some of these SRP systems as you lose and hardly get anything from it.

Whereas it's worth as much as another dread to the alliance that is using them to shoot stuff


Of course if everyone started their name with M, then the people who had "Ma---" would be the one dying. I mean of course someone in the dread blob will die...

well, of course You are right when it comes to egagements between large forces. A bulk value for the Performance would be taken into account i guess. Nonetheless I suspect the netto performance of a Dread in large fleet fights in 0.0 still higher than in Dread fights that happen in low sec. In low-sec they just live longer.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#29 - 2014-07-23 07:09:07 UTC
No, dreads get worse and worse in larger fights because of module lock.

Well, in nullsec. In lowsec you don't have doomsdays which are a lot less liable to that issue.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-07-23 07:12:19 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Alt Two wrote:
20 minutes per tick is some serious Tidi, as normally the server ticks once per second. You should switch to another system.
And at 16 mil per tick you should be able to afford your dread in just over 4 minutes.

Not the same kind of tick. NPC bounties pay out once every 20 minutes (which iirc happens to be independent of tidi, not that it makes any difference). So 16m per tick is 48m per hour. Which is, frankly, quite pitiful still.



Considering you can get better than that per tick in a sub-500 mill T2 fitted T1 Domi grinding IVs. A Domi can pretty much pay for itself in a nights missioning.
Bam Stroker
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#31 - 2014-07-23 07:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Bam Stroker
Xeris 7 wrote:
I would say I am a casual player ... now as a casual player I get in at most 5 to 6 hours a week play time with a weekend day reserved for fleets-I have a job, family and responsibilities.
I don't have those responsibilities and I spend a lot more time playing Eve than you. Just as you feel frustrated that it's hard to keep up when you're only playing casual hours I'd feel similarly disappointed if casuals could advance in the game as quickly as someone like me who puts in a lot more time.

I think you need to adjust your expectations rather than stress about the price of PLEX or attainable ISK/hour. If the bar were lowered for you then I'd be spending most of my time in Eve bored because with the amount of time I spend playing I'd be flush with ISK and own a dozen of every ship.

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-07-23 07:42:42 UTC
Waaaaaaa... I can't fly this very expensive ship, cause I don't want to put in the time or effort... WAAAAAAAAAA.... *sniff*

That is basically what I've gotten out of this post so far.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#33 - 2014-07-23 07:46:25 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
An F1 monkey is just an F1 money though, no matter what he flies.

Never not elite pvp in blobs.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2014-07-23 08:22:13 UTC
Xeris 7 wrote:

Now a PLEX currently pulls about 800 mil if I am not mistaken. So, for 4 bil I would need 5 PLEX at $20 a PLEX. On top of my monthly subs I also have to dish out $100 large to ride a party barge in the cap fleet and that is just the initial purchase on the dread alone.


So... ISK being the cheapest its ever been is a problem for you? ok

Also...
Xeris 7 wrote:
As you know, I’m sure, everyone is encouraged to move up to capitals as that is fleet end game


Lolno

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Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-07-23 08:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I think the value of a Dread is measured by the amount of Isk you can destroy before you loose it. The price however is justified.

That's another thing. If you have a name starting with A or something, your dread is "worth less" under some of these SRP systems as you lose and hardly get anything from it.

Whereas it's worth as much as another dread to the alliance that is using them to shoot stuff


Of course if everyone started their name with M, then the people who had "Ma---" would be the one dying. I mean of course someone in the dread blob will die...


You would think. After all, I am always the first man to complain about alphabet-primaries (Incidentally, thanks for being part of my tank Alavaria Big smile). Oddly though, I couldn't lose my Rev during the Halloween War before the insurance ran out (and I really did try - I fell asleep for a few of the later hours of B-R with it sitting in space bubbled to hell, woke up four hours later to the fight still going on, and me now being in a unbubbled space, so jumped out safely!)

To the OP - Honestly, I would speak to someone in the know in your corp or alliance. You can get a Dread for far less than 4 bil (have you checked the forumns, Dreads are going for sale regularly in the 2.8 mark), and if you are paying for your own fuel and ammo, you are definitely doing it wrong. And if you aren't making a profit on SRP and Insurance on a Dread, something is REALLY wrong.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#36 - 2014-07-23 09:16:23 UTC
Pretty sure the OP would have more time overall buying PLEX for the few hours he plays instead of grinding what he needs, atleast from the sounds of it.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-07-23 09:36:59 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Xeris 7 wrote:
At any rate, thank you for reading my rant, I am sure it was not the first on here and I’m sure it won’t be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right?

Rant? No, this is a childish whine....


Wahh wahhhh, I got a family and responsibilities....wahhh wahhh. Please change the game to suit MY needs....wahhhhh wahhh.

I mean, I'm not a REAL gamer, but wahhhhhh wahhhh....

Go play Tetris... or checkers...


Bam Stroker wrote:
I think you need to adjust your expectations rather than stress about the price of PLEX or attainable ISK/hour. If the bar were lowered for you then I'd be spending most of my time in Eve bored because with the amount of time I spend playing I'd be flush with ISK and own a dozen of every ship.

But you need to understand. It's all about HIM and HIS needs... I mean what else could be more important here...He's an entitled whiner....I mean if he really wants others to pay for his needs, he could get his kids out gathering beer bottles to turn in for cash...
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2014-07-23 09:42:43 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Xeris 7 wrote:
At any rate, thank you for reading my rant, I am sure it was not the first on here and I’m sure it won’t be the last by someone else; but such is the price we pay for obsession, right?

Rant? No, this is a childish whine....


Wahh wahhhh, I got a family and responsibilities....wahhh wahhh. Please change the game to suit MY needs....wahhhhh wahhh.

I mean, I'm not a REAL gamer, but wahhhhhh wahhhh....

Go play Tetris... or checkers...


Or GASP raise your kid and spend time with him/her/them/it

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#39 - 2014-07-23 09:46:01 UTC
Xeris 7 wrote:
I would say I am a casual player... (truncated)
Well first I'd say that you don't need to get a dread. Capital warfare isn't for everyone, and subcaps with skilled pilots will always be needed.
That said, if you did want to get a dread, you wouldn't do so just by grinding isk in 16m ticks. You'd get into a coalition capable of providing capital SRP and learn to make isk at better rates. You may also get into trading and realise how easily you can flip your isk for profit with very little playtime. Once you have your dread, it would be covered by SRP, so if you lost it you'd just get another anyway, but that said, you'd be making the kind of isk you need to roll around in spare dreads.

By the way, plex price is on the rise, so the "real world cost" of capitals is going down. Imagine what it was like when plex were like 200m.

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Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-07-23 09:46:20 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Alt Two wrote:
20 minutes per tick is some serious Tidi, as normally the server ticks once per second. You should switch to another system.
And at 16 mil per tick you should be able to afford your dread in just over 4 minutes.

Not the same kind of tick. NPC bounties pay out once every 20 minutes (which iirc happens to be independent of tidi, not that it makes any difference). So 16m per tick is 48m per hour. Which is, frankly, quite pitiful still.



Considering you can get better than that per tick in a sub-500 mill T2 fitted T1 Domi grinding IVs. A Domi can pretty much pay for itself in a nights missioning.


Question then should be why does ratting in 0.0 where you risk your ship pay worse than running level 4s in complete safety in highsec? Didn't used to but CCP nerfed it for some unknown reason.
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