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Taxation in WH, EVE CCP

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Brutus Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-07-22 15:08:46 UTC
Hi,

I was pleased to see an overhaul of the manufacturing but shocked to see one significant change that affects wormhole life.

How could there be a cost to running jobs in Wormhole space? Concord etc do not provide any protection in lawless unknown space. They contribute nothing and therefore should attract nothing.


So imagine my suprise when a copy job costs ISK! It doesn't directly say Tax, therefore how do I attribute the cost?

WH is a tax haven with additional risks, WH space is lawless and lastly, is WH space being marginalised out of the game. I say this due to the ever decreasing active players due to mechanic changes.

No jump gates no beacons no police no cost
Armitrage Outamon
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-07-22 15:29:39 UTC
Brutus Crendraven wrote:
Hi,

I was pleased to see an overhaul of the manufacturing but shocked to see one significant change that affects wormhole life.

How could there be a cost to running jobs in Wormhole space? Concord etc do not provide any protection in lawless unknown space. They contribute nothing and therefore should attract nothing.


So imagine my suprise when a copy job costs ISK! It doesn't directly say Tax, therefore how do I attribute the cost?

WH is a tax haven with additional risks, WH space is lawless and lastly, is WH space being marginalised out of the game. I say this due to the ever decreasing active players due to mechanic changes.

No jump gates no beacons no police no cost


Sign, and the next thing is why are the installation costs for jobs substracted from the corps research account and not from your personal?
Brutus Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-07-22 15:31:54 UTC
I didn't spot in the patch notes. But there is a significant change in respect of where you can do copy jobs.

The advanced facilities as were no longer allow copying.
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#4 - 2014-07-22 16:32:09 UTC
Better question, how come I can see teams working in j-space?
I asked about it long ago because that would be the evil free intel and the answer was "no free intel". But there it is in the list, J104253. It´s funny because of which hole it is.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#5 - 2014-07-22 17:09:31 UTC
Good point on the taxation and the "teams" API info. If there's no kill data in the API for w-space there shouldn't be any publicly available industry/teams information for w-space in the API either.

I'm right behind you
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#6 - 2014-07-22 17:16:12 UTC
Oh dear. I think something may have gotten messed up here. I'll look into it for you guys. This may take a couple of days to fix.
CivilWars
Half Empty
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#7 - 2014-07-22 17:19:32 UTC
In good news I know everyone was worried that this new 6 week patch schedule would have a negative impact on CCP operations, but I am pleased to report that all patches still include the unexpected negative consequences to w-space.

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Brutus Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-07-22 17:23:10 UTC
CivilWars wrote:
In good news I know everyone was worried that this new 6 week patch schedule would have a negative impact on CCP operations, but I am pleased to report that all patches still include the unexpected negative consequences to w-space.



So many Wormholes and interesting space to fly in and the nerfs keep coming.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2014-07-22 17:24:58 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Oh dear. I think something may have gotten messed up here. I'll look into it for you guys. This may take a couple of years to fix.


Probably the right answer..

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Brutus Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-07-22 17:28:20 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Oh dear. I think something may have gotten messed up here. I'll look into it for you guys. This may take a couple of years to fix.


Probably the right answer..



Please be patient while we review the issue, if you could check after downtime to see if the issue has been resolved please.

Oh downtime didn't fix it. Please wait while we screw around with the flux omi drive. Thanks the problem will be fixed in the next couple of years.

Thanks for playing. Your isk is welcome.
Kynric
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#11 - 2014-07-22 17:37:26 UTC
Quote:

Sign, and the next thing is why are the installation costs for jobs substracted from the corps research account and not from your personal?


Is it taking from the corp wallet division which you have set as active or from somewhere else?

What is the fee based on? Is it constant, proportional to time required for the job, value of materials or something else?
Jezza McWaffle
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#12 - 2014-07-22 17:48:29 UTC
CCP is better than comedy central on a friday night

Wormholes worst badass | Checkout my Wormhole blog
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#13 - 2014-07-22 18:32:00 UTC
It isnt a tax, it is wages being paid to the workers. Why would WH space be magically able to do industry without people?

Event Organizer of EVE North East
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-07-22 19:10:06 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Oh dear. I think something may have gotten messed up here. I'll look into it for you guys. This may take a couple of days to fix.


Serendipity was recently arrested for peeping at a local nursing and rehabilitation center. It will take a few days indeed.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Alundil
Rolled Out
#15 - 2014-07-22 19:41:46 UTC
Kynric wrote:
Quote:

Sign, and the next thing is why are the installation costs for jobs substracted from the corps research account and not from your personal?


Is it taking from the corp wallet division which you have set as active or from somewhere else?

What is the fee based on? Is it constant, proportional to time required for the job, value of materials or something else?

No idea. CCP, as per usual, has released another patch while ignoring many of the big issues brought up in the test server threads. Additionally, they have released massive changes to the way industry works with literally zero guide on how the system should be used and 'what does what' (ie. Taxes). Grayscale 'believes' a certain thing about taxes. But doesn't KNOW. Comments and questions about costs have basically ignored thus far. Oh and you'll need to give pilots access to the corp wallet in order to allow them to start jobs at a pos. Coupled with the absolutely stellar corp roles and permissions system I can see nothing going badly based on this.

IncarCrius

I'm right behind you
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#16 - 2014-07-22 20:10:55 UTC
Early access is the new way.
scotayne hawkins
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-07-22 20:17:03 UTC
according to the new patch notes if i remember rightly the new additional fee's was in connection with paying workers however the workers in empire provide production bonuses.

i just started the normal 1000 feul block runs as i expect most of us do and noticed its going to take 4 days + now. so not only do have to pay 4.6mill to run a job i'm paying over 120mill a week to host, i now get a time penatly too.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2014-07-22 20:17:22 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Early access is the new way.


People pay to play alpha games all the time. Look at CCP being all current and ~*relevant*~

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Longinius Spear
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
#19 - 2014-07-22 20:29:36 UTC
Fun experiment.

find a Paladin BPC on the contracts market while you are in W-space. Show info-- Click on "View In Industrial mode"

Check the cost to run that BPC in wormhole space.

CCP, ya dun gooffed.

Read more of my ramblings on my blog www.invadingyourhole.blogspot.com
Kynric
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#20 - 2014-07-22 21:17:53 UTC
Alundil wrote:
Kynric wrote:
Quote:

Sign, and the next thing is why are the installation costs for jobs substracted from the corps research account and not from your personal?


Is it taking from the corp wallet division which you have set as active or from somewhere else?

What is the fee based on? Is it constant, proportional to time required for the job, value of materials or something else?

No idea. CCP, as per usual, has released another patch while ignoring many of the big issues brought up in the test server threads. Additionally, they have released massive changes to the way industry works with literally zero guide on how the system should be used and 'what does what' (ie. Taxes). Grayscale 'believes' a certain thing about taxes. But doesn't KNOW. Comments and questions about costs have basically ignored thus far. Oh and you'll need to give pilots access to the corp wallet in order to allow them to start jobs at a pos. Coupled with the absolutely stellar corp roles and permissions system I can see nothing going badly based on this.

IncarCrius


In the past it was necessary to give my industrially minded pilots access to a division of the corp wallet. So we have a "petty cash" division which has never had any money in it, but was available as a place to take the zero isk fees from and thus allow the industrial activities. It sounds like the pilots will now have to deposit money so that it is there for their process. It sounds like more trouble than the old rather bad interface. Hopefully that process of granting the masses an empty wallet division will continue to work.

While we are on the subject of the rather bad roles system I should mention that if the junior accountant role is given out the recipient can Awox the corp wallet by insuring ships for corp.
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