EVE General Discussion

the weapon system is not good, its full of problems. starting with scorch.

on medium energy guns scorch is so good it still outshines Beams even after a recent 25% percent damage buff.... that's not really a sign of Scorch being good, its a sign of how poorly thought through the whole weapon system is. it also brings some light on the T2 ammo problems, and the wall that they are to new players.

medium pulses are too easy to fit as expected, and deal a really nice damage, but with such a crap projection that you cant really use them unless you have the option of Scorch, so forget about meta guns, and forget about being competitive if you are new on the game. (and by crap projection im taking into account the speed of your average amarr ship along with their over reliance on overloading to keep point, keep webs, and keep range.)
medium beams are too hard to fit with too crappy of a projection on its medium and small sizes, turning things around on the tachs... so much in fact that people rarely care for pulses at the large size. -.-'

the whole weapon system is a mess... does it work? yeah... but there are no fitting choices really. "up until large make sure that whatever you are shooting with can load scorch." that's how far the thought process goes. the only people that care to switch crystals are incursion runners, and half the time, why bother? when the fleet alpha is so ******** you could be shooting T1 ammo.

as far as weapon system being desirable? its simple a matter of being able to keep tracking on the edge of optimal, something that rails have a problem doing, even at .5 falloff :/ not so much once you hit large rails/tachs.
that and great fleet hulls. that is, hulls that synergize well with Logis. high resists + low signatures. (Mallers, Zealots, Napocs) that's really all there is. ask anyone on PL or other null alliances (or npc null dwellers) that field amarr hulls and they will never talk about guns, they will always start with the resists and signature. the napoc is the smallest battleship outside of the minnie hulls (which on null doctrines CANNOT be used with anything but Artys... whose role on today's 2k+ fleet brawls is down to "we do explosive damage guyz!") that 370 sig paired with links, drugs and even LG halos is enough to screw up rails. add to that signature radius six lowslots for tank and you get a pretty nasty battleship. its pretty impressive, but really expensive.

lasers aren't really desirable, if we could fit rails and keep the bonusses on Zealots or Navy apocs, then people would ditch energy guns all together. because even when rails have terrible tracking, they aren't as reliant on cap, project the same, track the same (considering the ranges at which null engagements heppen), and once Neuting bombs land, rails wreck fleets with their therm/kin, while energy still hits the natural peak resist.

bleh, im ranting... i love lazors, i just wish the medium/small ones didn't suck as much.

Upon first reading, I thought that said Scotch

Lol, I don't think you ever PvP.

Lasers are okay, honestly underpowered IMO (compared to their cap use). Pulse are pretty good, beam are generally just terrible.

They project damage very well, sure, but their damage type and tracking are worst of the three.

For those who grew up watching things like Star Wars (no, not the bloody prequels!), I would guess the fact that laser guns are cool might be a factor.

Lol, I don't think you ever PvP.

Lasers are okay, honestly underpowered IMO (compared to their cap use). Pulse are pretty good, beam are generally just terrible.

They project damage very well, sure, but their damage type and tracking are worst of the three.

Yes and no. The huge benefit of lasers is the instant ammo swap that allows them to perform well at almost any range.
PVP is a lot about range control: you try to control the range in a way that you fight at your optimal weapon distance while your enemy has to fight at distance where his weapons do less damage (either because of range or tracking).
Now most Amarr ships aren't really known for their ludicrous speed, but with lazors you can adapt to almost any engagement-range that the enemy is trying to force upon you.

Oh, and lasers are handy in other situations as well.

So I actually broke down and tested lasers. Laser legion, of course. (usually I use HAM legion)

wasnt too bad. It feels a little underwhelming but, its not as bad as I remembered

.... Better swap those crystals fast and pray.

Can someone enlighten me as to why lasers? Tons of people use lasers- and amarr ships are extremely popular. why? Basically- what do lasers have that set them apart from other guns, and make them so desirable?