EVE General Discussion

This was my third attempt at Hub Zero with Aaron, and while I may have another go at the concept as laid out here by myself this is the last time with Aaron and in this area. I thought Aaron had matured a bit so this would not be an abject failure, but a glorious one, but abject is what Aaron does, he is incapable of working with other leadership types, he talks over others, takes FC over others and contradicts them publicly and behind their back, yet gets upset with you if you argue back, he expects respect in spite of treating people like that and does not realise that in a game like Eve full of ego's that you have to earn that respect, and more importantly keep that respect alive.

When I resigned from leadership it was because of the reasons I laid out before, in terms of waning interest in Eve, and my timezone being out of sync with the majority, however another part of it I did not tell at the time, it was because Aaron pushed his vision of mutualisation behind my back with others when I said no to him and asked him to hold off until we had more people, I thought I would put him into the hot seat and then I expected him to fail as he has, but I did not expect him to go back to the same level of behavior that wrecked the very first Hub Zero and the version that I was involved in when I first came to 0.0 in March 2010. The resulting drama is as far as I am concerned impossible to repair and I am not really in the mood to try, as I was saying I was hoping for glorious failure and while I expect there still to be issues with Aaron which makes it a fun roller-coaster ride, I did not think that he had not moved on at all, that he had not learnt anything from before.

Finally Aaron has lied to me before, mostly due to a lack of honesty with himself, but to agree to do something then wait ten minutes after I log and then break that agreement is just amazing.

Of course this meltdown is not just Aaron, all it needs is someone to push the right buttons, and Aaron was played extremely well by another player, however his nemesis made a sentence that encapsulates the issue with Aaron "to be a leader you need to be able to follow." Aaron is unable to follow anyone else.

This doesn't change anything for my corporation to be honest. Aaron was always a small piece of something much larger, and hub-zero was simply a vehicle for this. Perhaps the problem was he didn't understand that. Although personally I have no problem with Aaron and still don't, he is pleasant whenever I speak with him, although he did seem to clash with others slightly too easily, which is why I find myself agreeing with Drac's viewpoint expressed in his previous response.

The point is, hub-zero will still go on, albeit perhaps under a different name and slightly different form. We still have a very good group of people out here, and that hasn't changed. I hope that despite this, Dracvlad and his corporation will stick around also, as his loss would be a blow.

Heh. Aaron was a catalyst, he bought enthusiasm to the project, and so for that he should be credited. I read the previous thread regarding hub-zero as everyone else did, and so always expected that something like this would happen. And like I say it is not a big issue. Aaron has done well in getting the project off the ground, and now it needs to adapt and change to the new circumstances.

What we have now is a large group of people who are living in Stain who are all blue to each other, and have similar goals.

I still think this is an amaizing idea, all that is needed is a good leader that has or at least can earn the respect of others without pushing.

Maybe one day this will work :) Who knows.

This was my third attempt at Hub Zero with Aaron, and while I may have another go at the concept as laid out here by myself this is the last time with Aaron and in this area. I thought Aaron had matured a bit so this would not be an abject failure, but a glorious one, but abject is what Aaron does, he is incapable of working with other leadership types, he talks over others, takes FC over others and contradicts them publicly and behind their back, yet gets upset with you if you argue back, he expects respect in spite of treating people like that and does not realise that in a game like Eve full of ego's that you have to earn that respect, and more importantly keep that respect alive.

When I resigned from leadership it was because of the reasons I laid out before, in terms of waning interest in Eve, and my timezone being out of sync with the majority, however another part of it I did not tell at the time, it was because Aaron pushed his vision of mutualisation behind my back with others when I said no to him and asked him to hold off until we had more people, I thought I would put him into the hot seat and then I expected him to fail as he has, but I did not expect him to go back to the same level of behavior that wrecked the very first Hub Zero and the version that I was involved in when I first came to 0.0 in March 2010. The resulting drama is as far as I am concerned impossible to repair and I am not really in the mood to try, as I was saying I was hoping for glorious failure and while I expected there still to be issues with Aaron which makes it a fun roller-coaster ride, I did not think that he had not moved on at all, that he had not learnt anything from before.

Finally Aaron has lied to me before, mostly due to a lack of honesty with himself, but to agree to do something then wait ten minutes after I log and then break that agreement is just amazing.

Of course this meltdown is not just Aaron, all it needs is someone to push the right buttons, and Aaron was played extremely well by another player, however his nemesis made a sentence that encapsulates the issue with Aaron "to be a leader you need to be able to follow." Aaron is unable to follow anyone else.

Dracvlad's perception of how hub zero should be done is completely incorrect and following his logic will ensure that the players working along side him will be hassled and spend most of their time docked up in stations earning little isk. Drac I believe you are an elitist and you only care for other elitists who have billions upon billions of assets, you have no compassion for the little guy and this is where you and I differ and this is part of the reason why I asked you to step down as leader.

Drac, Hub Zero will never end and you must accept the fact this is my concept and I will always be here. I'm actually glad this has happened Drac and I can step away from under your shadow. I do respect you Dracvlad and I still count you as a friend, as for us working together it is crystal clear that this can't happen.

The truth is, without my input people coming here will lose lots and simply go back to hi-sec.

I am not the person you describe Drac, and I am disappointed in you for bringing our disputes here. I never really had your name down as a drama queen until now Drac.

None of you need him and can continue on fine without him.

I am not the person you describe Drac, and I am disappointed in you for bringing our disputes here. I never really had your name down as a drama queen until now Drac.

Of course this meltdown is not just Aaron, all it needs is someone to push the right buttons, and Aaron was played extremely well by another player, however his nemesis made a sentence that encapsulates the issue with Aaron "to be a leader you need to be able to follow." Aaron is unable to follow anyone else.