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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#21 - 2014-07-21 18:09:55 UTC
hmmm
so apparently hes serverly over weight and asthmatic and it certainly looks like hes been living in mcdonalds for sometime and hes being stroppy with the police then im not surprised the police got heavy handed with him from the video clip the police certainly gave him enough time to rationally put his point across but constantly gesticulating and shouting at the police isn't going to get anyone anywhere

if it had been the uk they probably would have set the dogs on him ...then tazord him
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#22 - 2014-07-21 18:43:49 UTC
I remain undisturbed. Humanity lost nothing.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#23 - 2014-07-21 23:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
This is a great example of excessive force, even if it was justified. There are better ways these guys could have taken the guy in. ****, let him call his ******* lawyer right then and there if you feel that the guy can not be handled properly due to his size. He was clearly not wanted for a violent offense and he damn for sure is not going to run the **** away Roll nor is he packing a ******* gun. Power tripping Fools in uniform.

baltec1 wrote:

How else would you look for guns/knifes/drugs in an area that has a problem with guns/knives/drugs?


Get rid of the drug problem and the problem with guns will drop massively and very quickly; and by get rid of the problem I mean get rid of the drug classification system and completely regulate the manufacturing and distribution of said drugs. No real problem with knives though.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2014-07-21 23:25:55 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:


Get rid of the drug problem and the problem with guns will drop massively and very quickly; and by get rid of the problem I mean get rid of the drug classification system and completely regulate the manufacturing and distribution of said drugs. No real problem with knives though.


Personally I never want to see meth or heroin legalised.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-07-21 23:26:12 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Yes because like the people working within that field. 99.99% of the people doing it don't want to spend a second more than they have to, touching strangers. But still whenever one individual goes overboard it makes national headlines and people like you want to blame it on the rest of the people in the same profession.

Because no one in a uniform ever went on a power trip? Maybe nobody in at Swedish airport security does (still not relevant btw), but we have plenty of examples of it in the country in Arthie's linked video. I've actually never heard of a case of NYC police brutality being pinned on Swedish airport security. I don't even see where Arthie's is blaming every other person in a uniform for what happened.

Here's some reading for you:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

And before you bring up the acquittals, have yourself a tall glass of OJ.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#26 - 2014-07-21 23:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
baltec1 wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:


Get rid of the drug problem and the problem with guns will drop massively and very quickly; and by get rid of the problem I mean get rid of the drug classification system and completely regulate the manufacturing and distribution of said drugs. No real problem with knives though.


Personally I never want to see meth or ****** legalised.


Not sure what you have censored, but yes, in my discussions I do mention that Meth should be the sole scourge that remains banned. The beautiful thing is that the only reason meth saw a resurgence in usage is because the price of cocaine in the Midwest of the US triples in cost, sometimes more, that and the fact that all the chemicals (needed for the production) are readily available as the farms in the Mid West carry all of them. Control and regulate the primary stimulants and people will rarely find themselves in a position where they need to over reach in their recreational drug use.

But, I think we can agree this a very deep rooted problem that is not even close being solved, even after 3+ decades of battle.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-07-21 23:36:22 UTC
jason hill wrote:
hmmm
so apparently hes serverly over weight and asthmatic and it certainly looks like hes been living in mcdonalds for sometime and hes being stroppy with the police then im not surprised the police got heavy handed with him from the video clip the police certainly gave him enough time to rationally put his point across but constantly gesticulating and shouting at the police isn't going to get anyone anywhere

if it had been the uk they probably would have set the dogs on him ...then tazord him

I don't see armed and dangerous anywhere in your writeup. Cops should aggravate and jump on a guy because he's inarticulate and overweight? He's not a criminal, not being held for a violent crime, doesn't have a history of violence. Are these guys in uniforms professionals, or is it in their job description to continue baiting an obviously imbalanced but unarmed person into a life threatening situation which ends up in his death?

Well maybe we should just start lining people up and shooting them then?

These guys in uniforms are public servants, not stand-ins of The Punisher.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-07-21 23:42:12 UTC
Anyway, I'll likely get carried away with this topic, and it's probably too political for EVE forums.. so, maybe we can go back to flinging poo in the Star Citizen thread..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-07-22 05:17:56 UTC
New York is a giant sh*thole anyway. I don't know why people stay there. New Jersey is even worse.

May I have your stuff?
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#30 - 2014-07-22 10:45:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Lido Seahawk wrote:
I don't know why people stay there.
It is not hard to think of the primary reason New York City stays populated. It is one of the primary business centers for the whole world.

As an aside, contrary to popular belief the people of New York are not mean and rude, indifferent and living in one of the fastest cities in the world yes, mean and rude, no. Baltimore and Jersey City are different stories though Ugh
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-07-22 11:35:14 UTC
When I came home from iraq it was, and still is, hard for me to adjust to being in a civilian setting. In Ohio open carry is authorized for citizens. I was open carrying while walking to a carry out to pick up milk. Some know nothing little old lady called the cops on me and the police showed up about half way there. He pointed his gun at me through his cruiser and screamed at me to get on the ground. It was only a week since I stepped off the plane back on to US soil so my mindset was, and may still be, for combat. Fortunantly I saw he was scared, and had the mental discipline to not react, so I stepped into the blind spot of his cruiser so he would have to do signifigant damage to his cruiser to hit me. I yelled at him to stay in his car and call his supervisor. He jumped out of the cruiser and started shreiking at the top of his little lungs for me to get on the ground. I calmly told him to put his weapon away, that I was not a threat and that he needed to call his supervisor. He finally calmed down and did as I asked. His supervisor arrived shortly and he tried to play tough guy. He told me to give him my hand gun, I told him no. I told him that there is no problem here and I can't understand why all their training failed them. He kept putting his finger in my chest so I finally had enough and went Sgt. Moore on his azz. I gave him my ID, told him to look me up, and when he would speak, I told him I didn't want to hear it. Everything checked out fine. He gave me my ID back and then tried to speak to me like I was his kid. I walked away from them both and went to the carry out. On my way home they hovered around and parked outside my home. They tried to speak to me again, I ignored them and went inside. Never seen them again. My cool headed thinking stopped an incident. The initial officer was so amped up and scared, you could see he just wanted to drop me. Police will never be military. Our training is way too different. I'd much rather call another soldier for help than the police. Police training seems to be focused around numbers. military training is around lives.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#32 - 2014-07-22 12:06:27 UTC
I had an officer pull a gun on me and 3 friends one night and this was close to 2 decades ago before most of the current turmoil in the States really set in. We kept our cool, and through the questioning at the receiving end of gun barrel and from behind an open car door, we found out that (supposedly) a small group of guys had tried to start a fight at a 7-11 we were walking towards. Which was also in the same direction of the residence we were heading towards. This was in a distant suburb of a medium sized city, granted one of the most violent cities in the States, but mob action is extremely rare in our part of the State so the cop was clearly over reacting and I also believe completely fabricating the story. The next day the 7-11 day manager knew nothing about an altercation at the store the previous night.

Another sad example of cops over reaching is that an off duty officer decided to recklessly pin me against parked cars and open his door directly in front of me as I was riding my long board down a side street in my college town. I about took his door off and got bruised up pretty bad. He ticketed me for riding my skateboard on the street as opposed to the non-existent sidewalk Roll

These both pail heavily in comparison to what I see almost daily now in the media and know of personally from friends and acquaintances.

I do agree that most cops are good, honest and law abiding citizens, but all it takes is one douche to undermine the standard operating procedures and ruin reputation of a whole department.

I went back and watched the video and the lead cop, the one with the arm tats, is a good example of the current breed of overly macho and hard core cops that believe that they are the Law. Sibyll mentioned the Punisher above which is a good parallel; and another good one is Judge Dread. This is not the old west and these cops can be held accountable. Our best weapon is our ability to record their actions with a device that fits in our pockets.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#33 - 2014-07-22 14:08:14 UTC
Lido Seahawk wrote:
New York is a giant sh*thole anyway. I don't know why people stay there. New Jersey is even worse.

Well that's true. Smile
But generally NYC cops are pretty OK. They tend to pretty sociable and normally socialized people. They tend to be in it for the job, the good benefits, and the various unofficial (semi-corrupt) perks that come along. Not so much in it for the power trip.

On the other hand-- try dealing with a Texas, Oklahoma or even California cop. A totally different... personality type. I'll just leave it at that.
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-07-22 14:18:09 UTC
Should I bring up the numbers quota for the police. (money weasled out of people) I know there is a quota because the cops at my gym talk about it. As do the state highway patrol.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#35 - 2014-07-22 15:40:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
RAIN Arthie wrote:
Should I bring up the numbers quota for the police. (money weasled out of people) I know there is a quota because the cops at my gym talk about it. As do the state highway patrol.


Definitely apparent here. All the typical speed traps have patrol cars sitting there during both rush hours on the last 3-5 days before the end of the month.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#36 - 2014-07-22 17:24:35 UTC
More quality police work video ... write upRoll


Again, these are examples of the worst but one can only ignore the signs and symptoms for so long before the infection spreads.
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#37 - 2014-07-22 18:42:57 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
jason hill wrote:
hmmm
so apparently hes serverly over weight and asthmatic and it certainly looks like hes been living in mcdonalds for sometime and hes being stroppy with the police then im not surprised the police got heavy handed with him from the video clip the police certainly gave him enough time to rationally put his point across but constantly gesticulating and shouting at the police isn't going to get anyone anywhere

if it had been the uk they probably would have set the dogs on him ...then tazord him

I don't see armed and dangerous anywhere in your writeup. Cops should aggravate and jump on a guy because he's inarticulate and overweight? He's not a criminal, not being held for a violent crime, doesn't have a history of violence. Are these guys in uniforms professionals, or is it in their job description to continue baiting an obviously imbalanced but unarmed person into a life threatening situation which ends up in his death?

Well maybe we should just start lining people up and shooting them then?

These guys in uniforms are public servants, not stand-ins of The Punisher.



you think is isolated to just new York ??? ....mate your deluded if you just think this type of thing happens only in America !

so much for the so called british bobby on the beat

our government is now thinking of issuing tazors to our plastic coppers .

and you think you live in a police state ?...... im afraid you need to wise up a little bit
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#38 - 2014-07-22 19:02:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
RAIN Arthie wrote:
When I came home from iraq it was, and still is, hard for me to adjust to being in a civilian setting. In Ohio open carry is authorized for citizens. I was open carrying while walking to a carry out to pick up milk. Some know nothing little old lady called the cops on me and the police showed up about half way there. He pointed his gun at me through his cruiser and screamed at me to get on the ground. It was only a week since I stepped off the plane back on to US soil so my mindset was, and may still be, for combat. Fortunantly I saw he was scared, and had the mental discipline to not react, so I stepped into the blind spot of his cruiser so he would have to do signifigant damage to his cruiser to hit me. I yelled at him to stay in his car and call his supervisor. He jumped out of the cruiser and started shreiking at the top of his little lungs for me to get on the ground. I calmly told him to put his weapon away, that I was not a threat and that he needed to call his supervisor. He finally calmed down and did as I asked. His supervisor arrived shortly and he tried to play tough guy. He told me to give him my hand gun, I told him no. I told him that there is no problem here and I can't understand why all their training failed them. He kept putting his finger in my chest so I finally had enough and went Sgt. Moore on his azz. I gave him my ID, told him to look me up, and when he would speak, I told him I didn't want to hear it. Everything checked out fine. He gave me my ID back and then tried to speak to me like I was his kid. I walked away from them both and went to the carry out. On my way home they hovered around and parked outside my home. They tried to speak to me again, I ignored them and went inside. Never seen them again. My cool headed thinking stopped an incident. The initial officer was so amped up and scared, you could see he just wanted to drop me. Police will never be military. Our training is way too different. I'd much rather call another soldier for help than the police. Police training seems to be focused around numbers. military training is around lives.


Really good to hear that ended so well. If the situation were a little different and that first cop had back up or was a little more confident, it could have gone another way. We've got some trigger-happy cops in the U.S. Self-equipped with personal Glocks that they like a lot. "Police Fire 41 Shots, Kill Suspect." "Cops Shoot Escaped Wombat 26 Times" Etc.

A little heavy for EVE forums, but be careful bro....
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-07-22 19:25:33 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
When I came home from iraq it was, and still is, hard for me to adjust to being in a civilian setting. In Ohio open carry is authorized for citizens. I was open carrying while walking to a carry out to pick up milk. Some know nothing little old lady called the cops on me and the police showed up about half way there....


I work for the Ferry System out here in Washington State. Had an incident a few years ago, weekend day, some guy is carrying under his shirt, wind blows his shirt open, and one of the other passengers sees his gun.

Passenger goes running to the nearest deckhand, who goes to the Captain, who calls the cops, because you know, the sight of a gun in a free society is something to get excited about, apparently. Of course, no one actually goes up to talk to the guy, and see what his deal is, right?

So the super intelligent Edmond police are waiting at the dock when the boat gets there. They stop his car on loading ramp, in front of everyone, guns drawn, got him spread eagle on the hood of his car, yelling at him like a bunch of juvies the way cops do, manhandling him all around. When the guy finally manages to get in a word or two, and the cops finally start listening to what he’s saying…. Wait for it….


He’s a Seattle cop! LMAO! Dummies are everywhere.

May I have your stuff?
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-07-22 19:31:00 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:


As an aside, contrary to popular belief the people of New York are not mean and rude,


That's certainly not the experience I had the few times I've been there. Heck, had a co-worker get stabbed in the back waiting for the subway train. Some junkie going for his wallet. Nothing in that city for me!

May I have your stuff?