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Frustrated new pvp player looking for advice
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Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#21 - 2014-07-20 10:57:57 UTC
I would advice, for a start, getting a second (and perhaps third) accounts. Without these there is not much point of doing the "solo" pvp.

One of them should be training for warfare links. He does not need to be in the same corporation as you are. Just would have to hang somewhere in-system undocked with links running giving you significant bonuses.

Second can be used in Falcon or neutral repper depending on the situation and your needs.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-07-20 12:20:02 UTC
Carniflex wrote:
I would advice, for a start, getting a second (and perhaps third) accounts. Without these there is not much point of doing the "solo" pvp.

One of them should be training for warfare links. He does not need to be in the same corporation as you are. Just would have to hang somewhere in-system undocked with links running giving you significant bonuses.

Second can be used in Falcon or neutral repper depending on the situation and your needs.


Good Sirs;

People will tell you you can solo pvp without multiple accounts. But alas, its not really true, and this isn't going to change--its a group game, you have to play as a group, or you're just a victim 80% of the time.

your humble servent
SeaSaw
Brylan Grey
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-07-22 05:33:26 UTC
Look up Scope WERKs channel. No strings. Just pvp training. Don't gotta leave your corp or anything. Heck, invite them too!

Scope WERKs shows that care ears can have teeth too!
Hetalia Villen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-07-22 09:42:08 UTC
One thing that a lot of people dont tend to mention is Luck...

Once upon a time i was sitting in a safe spot with all of 2 mill XP trying to D-Scan down a target not knowing i was being probed out myself. first up comes a Punisher, me in my T1 fit Atron though why the hell not and locked, scrammed and webbed while opening up... he's into hull when his buddy shows up in a T2 fit navy slicer so i pop the Punisher and lock down the slicer start jamming his tracking and open up again, he's half way through armor when a thorax turns up and sits at his optimal taking pot shots at me and im thinking im gonna die, then pop goes the slicer... what the heck? 2 more frigs warped into the thorax and start burning at me, im on fire at this point and one more shot would pop me, i start jamming the thorax's tracking and burn away hoping to high hell to make it out alive and then his scram drops and im outta there.
By the end of it i was juddering like monkey having a seizure. i had to have a drink, EvE's PVP is the only game i know that can do that... so once you get a good taste of it you'll be hooked win loose or draw.

We had a great chat afterwards about what they could have done better, what i could have done better (Like die to the thorax) but they were a good bunch of guys taking some new guys out on a roam and they found me (the luckiest new guy i know).


Its been said before, talk to the guys that beat you, hell if your lucky talk to the guys you beat. Just take every fight one step at a time and eventually you will know how to react by pure impulse (Dont look at my kill board... i take any and all fights i can so i lose more than i win, but i also dont give a damn about k/d ratio, i just want good fights).


In short, read the forums, use the EVE items database to read up on ship types & whats good again what, talk to people that beat you, watch videos on youtube (and if you run something like fraps record your own fights and watch them religiously until you know where you messed up), take pot shots at guys bigger than you and die in a glorious ball of fire.

Thats my two isk, but if your interested feel free to mail me, or if im on open up a convo. if i have the time and your anywhere near gallente space i'll likely even offer for you to join me on a roam.

Cheers,
Hetalia.

 Hetalia's Kill Board

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#25 - 2014-07-22 10:53:57 UTC
I'll just recommend not trying to be a low skill point, low experienced poorly financed solo pvp pilot. I mean, would you expect a 15 year old w/ no training to do well in a professional mma tourney? Would you expect him to learn how to do anything more than how to take a beat down? There are hopes dreams and desires and then there is this harsh thing called reality. If your strategy for having fun involes great amounts of luck then you may want to rethink things.

I don't buy into the whole 'get some cheap frigs and go have some fun' mantra. You just end up getting a bunch of cheap frig beat downs. Can you learn stuff - sure. Is it efficient - not really. The 'convo the guy that gave you a beat down' does have merit, but why not just join the corp and get the whole semmesters worth of info instead of just sitting in for a random class?

Get in an active pvp corp and learn. Once you get some savvy and experience than head out for solo pvp if you like. It's the whole cart before the horse thing. Maybe try a few corps over time. Join an empire war dec corp and learn all the timers, docking tricks and gate tricks. Join a low sec corp (FW or pirate or whatever) and grab that experience. Null - Once you are up to that I would recommend NPC null. SOV null doesn't have a lot to teach (It's for ninnies - fact not opinion).

I always recommend WH (where I live) but that has a minimum SP/ship requirement thing that isn't real new guy friendly. If you're interested in that - convo me and I'll lay it out for you.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-07-22 18:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I'll just recommend not trying to be a low skill point, low experienced poorly financed solo pvp pilot. I mean, would you expect a 15 year old w/ no training to do well in a professional mma tourney? Would you expect him to learn how to do anything more than how to take a beat down? There are hopes dreams and desires and then there is this harsh thing called reality. If your strategy for having fun involes great amounts of luck then you may want to rethink things.

I don't buy into the whole 'get some cheap frigs and go have some fun' mantra. You just end up getting a bunch of cheap frig beat downs. Can you learn stuff - sure. Is it efficient - not really. The 'convo the guy that gave you a beat down' does have merit, but why not just join the corp and get the whole semmesters worth of info instead of just sitting in for a random class?

Get in an active pvp corp and learn. Once you get some savvy and experience than head out for solo pvp if you like. It's the whole cart before the horse thing. Maybe try a few corps over time. Join an empire war dec corp and learn all the timers, docking tricks and gate tricks. Join a low sec corp (FW or pirate or whatever) and grab that experience. Null - Once you are up to that I would recommend NPC null. SOV null doesn't have a lot to teach (It's for ninnies - fact not opinion).

I always recommend WH (where I live) but that has a minimum SP/ship requirement thing that isn't real new guy friendly. If you're interested in that - convo me and I'll lay it out for you.


A lot of that is really bad advice.

Yes I lost lot of frigs when I first started but I killed a lot more then I lost. More SP does not translate in winning fights either. Knowledge of the game does, learning how to use what you can is what makes you better then a high SP character waiting got that magic SP number.

But yes, he will learn a lot quicker if he joins an active pvp corp. Just don't say he needs to wait for more SP.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#27 - 2014-07-22 18:37:31 UTC
I didn't tell him to wait on anything (well maybe the wh stuff... kinda). I just recommended against trying to be a solo pvp guy early in his career. We aren't all you. I mean heck I'd kill for your billowing hair alone.

I'm just tired of everyone repeating get a cheap frig and......

It's not wrong, I just think joining an active pvp group is a far superior way to learn than successive a55beatings.

Solo pvp monster is more of a pvp end game goal.


I re-read - it's good advice.
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