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Hyperion needs to be a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul
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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-07-21 21:38:58 UTC
This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.

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PotatoOverdose
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#2 - 2014-07-21 21:42:58 UTC
Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is. Roll
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#3 - 2014-07-21 21:43:00 UTC
needs to be done sooner than soon™ that is for sure. I just cant even imagine living in 0.0 the way it is now. go ahead and tell me it is epic, I just can't buy that story, when at a casual glance most systems are empty.

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Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2014-07-21 21:48:32 UTC
Why do they keep using names of ships for expansions?

Came to this thread expecting a proposal to turn the Hyperion into some sort of colony ship Straight

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Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2014-07-21 21:51:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.


I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what is going to get done in 6 weeks.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#6 - 2014-07-21 21:51:10 UTC
Colonial Sovereignty with claims of citizenship to a system, reducing Sov bills.

Grandfather in a minimum citizenship requirement to deploy the TCU.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-07-21 21:51:55 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is. Roll

Why have a release at all if your company is going on vacation? I would think they'd have planned it so that releases will be largely unaffected by the summer holidays.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-07-21 21:53:34 UTC
Pheusia wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.


I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what is going to get done in 6 weeks.


Not at all, because as long as this has been an issue I expect that they've likely devoted at least some of their time to tackling the problem. Most of the 6 weeks would simply be polishing of stuff they probably already have on the drawing board.

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PotatoOverdose
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#9 - 2014-07-21 22:04:19 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is. Roll

Why have a release at all if your company is going on vacation? I would think they'd have planned it so that releases will be largely unaffected by the summer holidays.

Ok....let's ignore the whole "summer holidays" bit, disregarding statements from CCP Rise.

6 Weeks. Comprehensive Sov Overhaul. Pick one or the other, there's no way you're gonna get any sort of sov overhaul in 6 weeks. Super overhaul? If they started working on it beforehand, maybe 6 weeks is possible. But they haven't; battleships and HACs are going to enjoy another balance pass first as per the post from CCP Rise.

So yeah, no way in hell you're getting either of those things in 6 weeks. I mean seriously, no MMO developer pushes anything out in 6 weeks, use some common sense.

CCP didn't go from an "expansion" every 6 months to an "expansion" every 6 weeks. The new release cycle is just that, a release cycle. When a piece of development that takes, say, 7 months to make misses the November release, it can be released in January instead of June. That's all it is. You won't be getting more content per year, you'll just be getting content when it's actually finished.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-07-21 22:12:35 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
This is the single most important issue facing your game today. There is nothing else - PVE iterations, ship balancing, POS revamp, WiS or what have you - that is as important as upholding your promise to overhaul sovereignty mechanics. This is a promise you have made for years yet continually pushed to the side for pet projects and other easier, albeit necessary work. A comprehensive overhaul of sovereignty mechanics including a balance pass of supercapitals cannot come soon enough. It's desperately needed.


If you're gonna rage about something do your damn research first. The roadmap for major overhauls was made very clear at FanFest.

1. Industry
2. Corp & Alliance roles and interfaces
3. Player Owned Structures and Stations
4. Sovereignty Mechanics
5. Player Built Stargates

Since Sov mechanics depend greatly on the previous two points, it makes sense those get done first. So it's on the planning. Just have patience.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#11 - 2014-07-21 22:19:45 UTC
Nothing like a POS to get us involved.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-07-21 22:29:37 UTC
These expansions are really clashing with the gallente ship line
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-07-21 22:46:32 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's desperately needed


Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population.

As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that.

To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov.
TheMercenaryKing
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-07-21 22:48:21 UTC
CCP has a road map, and POS are confirmed to be next as the major overhaul.
KATAL MATU
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-07-21 22:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: KATAL MATU
I like Snot Shot's idea. Just remove sov entirely. He gives a good explanation in more detail in the ideas and suggestions area, but the basics are to just remove it instead of trying to fix it.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352842&find=unread
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-07-21 22:50:55 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is. Roll

It shouldn't take six weeks to do something as simple as removing supers from the game.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#17 - 2014-07-21 22:51:31 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's desperately needed


Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population.

As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that.

To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov.


And here we were told pos only affected a small portion of the players

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-07-21 22:54:34 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's desperately needed


Correction: its desperately needed for a SMALL-to-medium subset of the EVE population.

As a wormholler, I cant use sov or supercapitals. herefore, I could not care less about that.

To me, POS revamp is MUCH more important then some dude's wish to grind more/less sov.


As a wormholler you're a much smaller subset of the population.

Nullsec players are, in all likelihood, one of the larger groups in EVE. Not smaller.

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-07-21 23:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
If what I hear is true and CCP is really overhauling POS's. Wouldn't that mean they are somehow dealing with the old spaghetti? and if that's true then I don't see why sov mechanics would'nt be on a todo list of things they can now play with.


Course CCP would need to verify that I w0uld think.


edit:

Someone mentioned player made stargates. I completely forgot about those, but imagine how epic that would actually be with the game mechanics all squeaky clean. Even more so than before.

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#20 - 2014-07-21 23:18:32 UTC
Rhes wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Yes, a comprehensive sov and supercapital overhaul will happen in 6 weeks while most of CCP is on summer holiday. Good luck to you sir and a well thought out post this is. Roll

It shouldn't take six weeks to do something as simple as removing supers from the game.

While I would enjoy seeing that, we both know that won't happen.
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