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Using Sine Waves to Analyze New Eden

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#21 - 2014-07-21 14:05:37 UTC
A wild Sibyyl appears!

Yes, I'm underutilized atm. XD

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]

Wendrika
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-07-21 14:18:07 UTC
Ack! Math! My only weakness! How did you know?!

Personaly, I would just use multi-linear regression and hope for the best. Maybe toss a few variables like, I dunno, number of people online versus the population of Amarr at a given hour. But then I'd have to check collinearity to make sure both variables are independent and...

Gosh, I really hate Math! I don't need Sine Waves!

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-07-21 14:20:37 UTC
I'm good at maths, but I hate it and I'm out of practice as a result. Instead, I'm going to tell a joke.

What do you call smacktalk about hybrid weapons?

Blast-phemy

Buddum-ch Roll

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#24 - 2014-07-21 14:36:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Christina Project
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm good at maths, but I hate it and I'm out of practice as a result. Instead, I'm going to tell a joke.

What do you call smacktalk about hybrid weapons?

Blast-phemy

Buddum-ch Roll

MacGyver and a Minmatar sit trapped in a small room.

MacGyver pulls out some chewing gum,
a LED,
wires,
a knife,
two packs of nails,
a condom,
old news paper,
hla hankerchief,
a PowerPuff Girls comic book,
the EVE Second Decade Collectors Edition ...

... and a stick of wood.



Suddenly, he looks desperate. He checks all his pockets,
pants, jacket, everywhere...



"OMG I LOST THE..." he starts, as the minmatar signals him to silence ...










..... ssssssssssssssshhhhhhh we're free soon .....











... and pulls out a huge roll of duct-tape.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-07-21 19:37:13 UTC
Mithandra wrote:
I'm lost. Not at the math, but at why you would spend so much time proving that activity in eve is cyclical.

We live all across an oblate spheroid, orbiting a giant ball of fire, of course its cyclical.

Sorry but what's your goal here?

Except that's a pattern you'd expect to see if we all lived in the same area, not spread out about the place.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#26 - 2014-07-21 20:34:40 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mithandra wrote:
I'm lost. Not at the math, but at why you would spend so much time proving that activity in eve is cyclical.

We live all across an oblate spheroid, orbiting a giant ball of fire, of course its cyclical.

Sorry but what's your goal here?

Except that's a pattern you'd expect to see if we all lived in the same area, not spread out about the place.

Nope. The sum of two periodic functions is still periodic. You have players eating, sleeping, working and playing eve in Australia. You have players eating, sleeping, working and playing eve in Britain. They both tend to play eve in their prime-time. If you track the activity level of any sufficiently populated system in eve, they will all be periodic with the same pattern.

I read some of the posts in his blog. Just seems like dressing up simple concepts with math to make the subject matter seem less trivial than it actually is. Previous post was: if you look at activity x in region y and activity x in region z, if they're similar you'll see similar behaviors in those two regions. No ****.

The most recent post is: here's a periodic function. Population levels in a given system are periodic. Yay! His previous post is: Here are the jumps in Jita. Here is the Fourier Transform of the jumps in jita. And look, the same pattern is present!

Here's an useful example of signal processing. Cold war, 70's: satellite takes a picture of a forest in east germany, and drops a canister of microfilm back to earth which is picked up by a c130. The film has a picture of a forest, seemingly empty of anything but trees. Use Fourier optics to convolve the film with another film with an image of a tank. Boom, every single soviet tank on the original microfilm lights up like a flare.

In general, fourier analysis is used as a way to simplify complicated math. Say you want to see how similar two complicated signals are (this can be data points, or as in the soviet tank example, an image). You could do a direct convolution, but for two arbitrary signals this would be computationally intensive. Or, you could convolve each arbitrary signal with an exceedingly simple function (this is a fourier transform) and multiply the two signals together in fourier space (this step is simple multiplication), then you can look at the spectra directly or convolve the product-signal with an exceedingly simple function again (this is an inverse fourier transform).

The point is, you take a complicated signal or image, and extract useful information that wasn't readily available beforehand (e.g. soviet tanks in what appeared to be an empty forest). In that blog I see already simple patterns dressed up with math, no useful insight over the original data is provided.

The entire blog just kinda rubs me the wrong way, dressing up exceedingly simple things with math to seem "ardently intellectual" as the blogger describes himself. Seems pretentious, maybe I'm judging too harshly though. vOv
Calvin
Tritanium Forge Industries
#27 - 2014-07-21 22:56:09 UTC
Nose' Feliciano wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
wtf am i reading

That there is a 24 hour cycle to things in EvE, with activity dropping around downtime and peaking from mid-afternoon to late evening.

Tweaked sine functions match the cosine shape of activity in New Eden.

Conclusion: EvE is like a fine symphony. The wave shapes are near perfect.

Or something else.



I would like to see the results when downtime is done away with...as is planned.


Tell me about it, that 'hiccup' skews the data for at least three hours :-/
Calvin
Tritanium Forge Industries
#28 - 2014-07-21 22:58:30 UTC
Wendrika wrote:
Ack! Math! My only weakness! How did you know?!

Personaly, I would just use multi-linear regression and hope for the best. Maybe toss a few variables like, I dunno, number of people online versus the population of Amarr at a given hour. But then I'd have to check collinearity to make sure both variables are independent and...

Gosh, I really hate Math! I don't need Sine Waves!



Actually that's where I started, but I got annoyed that I needed all these discrete variables to account for time. I wanted a better way, hence where the sine wave stuff came in. Ideally I want a formula to convert all of the time data into a linear function so I can only use one variable to capture all of the time-based variance. Something of a pipe dream, but even with the messive amounts of data I have, I don't have enough to properly analyze the game on all the dimensions I want to.
Chirjo Durruti
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-07-23 16:34:24 UTC
Nose' Feliciano wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
wtf am i reading

That there is a 24 hour cycle to things in EvE, with activity dropping around downtime and peaking from mid-afternoon to late evening.

Tweaked sine functions match the cosine shape of activity in New Eden.

Conclusion: EvE is like a fine symphony. The wave shapes are near perfect.

Or something else.



I would like to see the results when downtime is done away with...as is planned.

Downtime should only increase the tail towards high frequencies.

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