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Worst Merc`s ever award?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#221 - 2014-07-21 13:34:24 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
My opinion is more worth than you as i'm much older in EVE than you.
Your opinion is worthless because, as always and irrespective of age, it has no basis in any kind of reality.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#222 - 2014-07-21 13:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Tippia wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
My opinion is more worth than you as i'm much older in EVE than you.
Your opinion is worthless because, as always and irrespective of age, it has no basis in any kind of reality.

Heh, well i'll guess you didn't take the point of it that i was just using same tactic against Lucas as he was using against me. And it did work against him.

Opinions are opinions, so more experience about what you do in game is more of what counts.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#223 - 2014-07-21 13:42:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
NightmareX wrote:
My opinion is more worth than you as i'm much older in EVE than you.


Well this is a little ridiculous. Firstly, you're making this assumption based on the age of his toon. You're probably right, but it's still an assumption. Likewise, this would require us to believe that you are your original toon's owner, an assumption that we would have to make. All these assumptions certainly don't validate your opinion as superior by virtue of being older. In other words, maybe you have less experience than you claim, and maybe Lucas has more than you know.

Additionally, an assertion like this is about as immature as suggesting that Tippia or I have superior opinions to you due to having more likes on the forums. Clearly, our comments have been approved of far more than yours.

But, logic is an ellusive trait for the masses. I'm sure you'll catch on some day.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#224 - 2014-07-21 13:54:28 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
My opinion is more worth than you as i'm much older in EVE than you.


Well this is a little ridiculous. Firstly, you're making this assumption based on the age of his toon. You're probably right, but it's still an assumption. Likewise, this would require us to believe that you are your original toon's owner, an assumption that we would have to make. All these assumptions certainly don't validate your opinion as superior by virtue of being older. In other words, maybe you have less experience than you claim, and maybe Lucas has more than you know.

Additionally, an assertion like this is about as immature as suggesting that Tippia or I have superior opinions to you due to having more likes on the forums. Clearly, our comments have been approved of far more than yours.

But, logic is an ellusive trait for the masses. I'm sure you'll catch on some day.

Read over what i wrote to Tippia.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#225 - 2014-07-21 13:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Firstly, you're making this assumption based on the age of his toon. You're probably right, but it's still an assumption.
Just FYI, he is right that his character is older, though not by the margin he imagines. This is my 3rd character, with the first one being created on 2nd May 2005. That was deleted and rerolled in January 2006, and he was retired when this guy was created (I scrapped him because I no longer likes his name).

And no Nightmare, experience isn't everything.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#226 - 2014-07-21 13:56:11 UTC
irregardless of the evidence.... irrespective is not a word.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2014-07-21 13:59:55 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
My opinion is more worth than you as i'm much older in EVE than you.


Well this is a little ridiculous. Firstly, you're making this assumption based on the age of his toon. You're probably right, but it's still an assumption. Likewise, this would require us to believe that you are your original toon's owner, an assumption that we would have to make. All these assumptions certainly don't validate your opinion as superior by virtue of being older. In other words, maybe you have less experience than you claim, and maybe Lucas has more than you know.

Additionally, an assertion like this is about as immature as suggesting that Tippia or I have superior opinions to you due to having more likes on the forums. Clearly, our comments have been approved of far more than yours.

But, logic is an ellusive trait for the masses. I'm sure you'll catch on some day.

Read over what i wrote to Tippia.


I read through most of the thread before I posted, including the OP and your reply to Tippia. I chose my words quite particularly. If you had something constructive to offer, why would you need 'tactics'?

Do you know what an opinion based on anything other than fact is called? Well, it depends, there is a spectrum. At best, it's irrelevant and pointless to any discussion. At worst, it's delusion.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#228 - 2014-07-21 14:00:27 UTC
Wow.

Well this thread sure devolved into a slurry of name calling and I-am-better-than-you's.

NightmareX wrote:
My opinion is more worth than you as i'm much older in EVE than you.


Nightmare, i'm not one of your haters or anything, but this is just plain inaccurate.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2014-07-21 14:00:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Serendipity Lost wrote:
irregardless of the evidence.... irrespective is not a word.


Wut?

And also this.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#230 - 2014-07-21 14:06:24 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Leto Thule wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
My opinion is more worth than you as i'm much older in EVE than you.


Nightmare, i'm not one of your haters or anything, but this is just plain inaccurate.

Do you really think i meant that?

I said it to use it against Lucas, witch did work Lol.

Ofc the age of you character isn't what counts, it's how long experience you have ingame by doing PVP or whatever.

If my character is 5 years old (an example), but i only have done PVP for 2 years while another character is 3 years old but have done PVP for 3 years, then the 3 years old character have more PVP experience than i have, so he is most likely to know more about PVP than i do.

I have been playing since 2004 and started as early as 2005 to do PVP for the first time. 9. November this year i have been playing for 10 years. And out of those 10 years i have been carebearing for about 3 years where the rest is PVP. So i'm pretty experienced when it comes to PVP.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#231 - 2014-07-21 14:07:49 UTC
perception of an opinion is certainly weighted on the virtues of its holder, when there isn't contradictory evidence. in that case, the virtuous holder reviews their opinion based on the evidence available to them, for in light of the evidence, their virtue is perceived by the opinion they maintain
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#232 - 2014-07-21 14:11:07 UTC
not happy with the last sentence. 'weighted by the opinion they maintain' maybe. w/e you understand my point, i hope
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2014-07-21 14:15:07 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
...so he is most likely to know more about PVP than i do.


'Most likely' is the key element of this assertion here. I have killed my share of players with more than twice the time spent PVP'ing than I've had, sometimes severely outnumbered and outgunned, so I contend this assertion that time invested is an indication of experience or even knowledge.

Quote:
So i'm pretty experienced when it comes to PVP.


I believe it. But I also know a few players who have PVP'ed a lot less than you, and would be much better than you and know much more.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#234 - 2014-07-21 14:20:49 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Remiel Pollard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
...so he is most likely to know more about PVP than i do.


'Most likely' is the key element of this assertion here. I have killed my share of players with more than twice the time spent PVP'ing than I've had, sometimes severely outnumbered and outgunned, so I contend this assertion that time invested is an indication of experience or even knowledge.

Quote:
So i'm pretty experienced when it comes to PVP.


I believe it. But I also know a few players who have PVP'ed a lot less than you, and would be much better than you and know much more.

If that player can prove that, i'm gonna accept it. No questions asked about that. Now this was an example so you or me don't have to prove anything in this case.

Like me, i did prove to Lucas that i'm actively doing PVP everyday and knows exactly how Mercenaries runs their business and what empire PVP is as i do that every day (while Lucas couldn't even prove that he have been doing empire wars or been a Mercenary of some sort), so i know that i was right about what i was saying about it while Lucas only came with his guesses and opinions about what that is and how mercenaries works and so on.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2014-07-21 14:36:33 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
...so he is most likely to know more about PVP than i do.


'Most likely' is the key element of this assertion here. I have killed my share of players with more than twice the time spent PVP'ing than I've had, sometimes severely outnumbered and outgunned, so I contend this assertion that time invested is an indication of experience or even knowledge.

Quote:
So i'm pretty experienced when it comes to PVP.


I believe it. But I also know a few players who have PVP'ed a lot less than you, and would be much better than you and know much more.

If that player can prove that, i'm gonna accept it. No questions asked about that. Now this was an example so you or me don't have to prove anything in this case.



You seem to get very defensive when someone challenges your sense of superiority. Your hubris notwithstanding, I don't really care how Marmite chooses to fight its wardecs. You're very easy to avoid and also, predictable. I have to say, though, for a band that knows so much about Empire wars, I find it amusing that you are all still so afraid of killrights on you. Haven't figured out how to get rid of them without a lossmail yet, have you?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#236 - 2014-07-21 14:45:17 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
...so he is most likely to know more about PVP than i do.


'Most likely' is the key element of this assertion here. I have killed my share of players with more than twice the time spent PVP'ing than I've had, sometimes severely outnumbered and outgunned, so I contend this assertion that time invested is an indication of experience or even knowledge.

Quote:
So i'm pretty experienced when it comes to PVP.


I believe it. But I also know a few players who have PVP'ed a lot less than you, and would be much better than you and know much more.

If that player can prove that, i'm gonna accept it. No questions asked about that. Now this was an example so you or me don't have to prove anything in this case.



You seem to get very defensive when someone challenges your sense of superiority. Your hubris notwithstanding, I don't really care how Marmite chooses to fight its wardecs. You're very easy to avoid and also, predictable. I have to say, though, for a band that knows so much about Empire wars, I find it amusing that you are all still so afraid of killrights on you. Haven't figured out how to get rid of them without a lossmail yet, have you?

I just said if it can be proven that someone is better than me or have more experience than me in PVP (witch is extremely easy to do), then i wont deny it. I will accept it then and move on.

I'm not afraid of any killrights on me. I'm just being carefull on what i'm doing as i use expensive ships in PVP (for the most part). If i can avoid losses, then why not make sure i can avoid that when the tools ingame is there to let me avoid losses?

Just because i'm good at avoiding losses and sees where i can get kills doesn't mean i'm doing a bad job as it's my job in Marmite to kill as much as i can while having as few losses as i can have. This is something every mercenaries in empire is doing.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#237 - 2014-07-21 14:57:30 UTC
NightmareX wrote:

I just said if it can be proven that someone is better than me or have more experience than me in PVP (witch is extremely easy to do), then i wont deny it. I will accept it then and move on.

I'm not afraid of any killrights on me. I'm just being carefull on what i'm doing as i use expensive ships in PVP (for the most part). If i can avoid losses, then why not make sure i can avoid that when the tools ingame is there to let me avoid losses?

Just because i'm good at avoiding losses and sees where i can get kills doesn't mean i'm doing a bad job as it's my job in Marmite to kill as much as i can while having as few losses as i can have. This is something every mercenaries in empire is doing.


I don't need to prove anything, I'd rather let your own hubris be your undoing.

I'm curious about something, though. Many mercenaries have been hired in assists against my alliance, RIGID, which I'll be returning to after my current illness and treatment has ended, which I won't go into. These mercenaries include your own. Why, just this year, you were hired to assist against us, along with Forsaken Asylum, by the same alliance that we'd wardecced.

One day, while you were preventing your own losses instead of your client's losses, I slipped into the Danera system with an Ishkur, on my own, with no scout or links, and kill a Merlin, two destroyers, and a Myrmidon, belonging to your client, in the same fight. Not all at once, the Merlin died first, and the pod, then the Myrm undocked with a Thrasher. Thrasher died first to my drones, then the pilot reshipped to a Coercer while I fought the Myrm, both of which died.

So I have to ask, were you doing what you were paid to do, or padding your killboard on a pipe or trade hub? FA were pretty slack as well, of course, but when you say, "this is something every mercenary in empire is doing", watching their own losses instead of their client's, then I have to ask...

Are you even worth hiring?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#238 - 2014-07-21 15:43:07 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

I just said if it can be proven that someone is better than me or have more experience than me in PVP (witch is extremely easy to do), then i wont deny it. I will accept it then and move on.

I'm not afraid of any killrights on me. I'm just being carefull on what i'm doing as i use expensive ships in PVP (for the most part). If i can avoid losses, then why not make sure i can avoid that when the tools ingame is there to let me avoid losses?

Just because i'm good at avoiding losses and sees where i can get kills doesn't mean i'm doing a bad job as it's my job in Marmite to kill as much as i can while having as few losses as i can have. This is something every mercenaries in empire is doing.


I don't need to prove anything, I'd rather let your own hubris be your undoing.

I'm curious about something, though. Many mercenaries have been hired in assists against my alliance, RIGID, which I'll be returning to after my current illness and treatment has ended, which I won't go into. These mercenaries include your own. Why, just this year, you were hired to assist against us, along with Forsaken Asylum, by the same alliance that we'd wardecced.

One day, while you were preventing your own losses instead of your client's losses, I slipped into the Danera system with an Ishkur, on my own, with no scout or links, and kill a Merlin, two destroyers, and a Myrmidon, belonging to your client, in the same fight. Not all at once, the Merlin died first, and the pod, then the Myrm undocked with a Thrasher. Thrasher died first to my drones, then the pilot reshipped to a Coercer while I fought the Myrm, both of which died.

So I have to ask, were you doing what you were paid to do, or padding your killboard on a pipe or trade hub? FA were pretty slack as well, of course, but when you say, "this is something every mercenary in empire is doing", watching their own losses instead of their client's, then I have to ask...

Are you even worth hiring?

First of all i wouldn't drag the whole alliance under the same boat for some bad mistakes some newer members are doing. They will eventually learn how to fight here to be able to gain positive results.

When it comes to the wars against you. If someone paid us to war dec you, then we don't care if others have war dec'ed you before us. Or, we usually don't care about how many others who have war dec'ed you or others as we war dec you because we see the ability to earn isk and to have fun, witch is the thing that matter to us. Just because we ended up with the same war against you as Forsaken Asylum had, it doesn't really means we are cooperating against you. Forsaken Asylum just appeared to have war dec'ed you before we did.

If we do however cooperate against you, we will most likely make sure we all stays alive. I don't think we cooperate with others at all actually. The only times where i think a cooperation is the way to go is if we are going to fight a massive force in empire. But as that almost never happens in empire, we are in 99.9% of all times alright by fighting alone in Marmite.

If we are worth hiring?

I believe so yeah, but if you want the final answer on that, ask Tora about it.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#239 - 2014-07-21 15:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Serendipity Lost
Leto - I burried a comment about your mom's mustache somewhere in the forums.

Let the hunt begin!!!

Nightmarex is the cooler than the rest of you folks put together.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#240 - 2014-07-21 15:56:01 UTC
Found it! What do I win?

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.