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New York Police

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RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-07-20 12:16:17 UTC
I sit in a slight state of disbelief. A police officer choked out a very large black man, and then the man dies. The police boss and the mayor act hardly touched by the incodent. From what I gathered the man broke up a fight and the police wanted to arrest him for it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-5UY9I1EbU there is the actual video.

Now, New York also has a stop and frisk policy. They can stop and frisk anybody any time they are walking down the street. You can not decline this becuse, from what I understand, you can be arrested.

My point: Police have been given too much power and are abusing it. Authority should only belong to those who are beyond reproach. These officers are hardly beyond reproach. Their power needs a collar and they need to be tamed.

They stand on empowerment of "We are out here keeping the streets safe". No they don't. They are corrupt. Many many videos are out there showing New york police beating and harrasing people. New York has very strict gun laws, almost too strict. The mayor makes laws based on his personal feelings towards things (should not be doing that). The police never questions orders and seem to like being bullies.

Solutions: Walk away from the police every time you see them. Make them feel isolated. Do not serve them at restraunts.

Yes I understand they are all not like this. However from being in the military I learned that by leaning on the good ones they pressure the bad ones.

Why do I care? I don't really know. I hear about it all the time and am sick of hearing about how New York is tore up and all people do is shrug their shoulders. How about you take your city back?

Sorry if this is against forum rules, and if it gets locked I understand however this is my feeble attempt to draw attention to something that needs fixed. Sorry CCP just needed to be said. Fly safe.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-07-20 15:03:26 UTC
I wasn't even three when the riots tore apart south central (we grew up in Watts). What I know about it comes from my parents and older brothers. I think people need no excuses to be animals to each other, whether they're wearing blue uniforms or rags.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Slymah
DorpCorp
#3 - 2014-07-20 18:57:02 UTC
Less melodrama needed here.

The guy was a known criminal arrested over a dozen times.

If he wasn't so extremely obese and clearly resisting arrest he would not have had a heart attack.


Moral of the story - Don't run around committing crime and resisting arrest and you'll be fine. Also, being fat is stressful on your heart.



Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#4 - 2014-07-20 21:30:34 UTC
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-07-20 22:34:39 UTC
offhand I would say you can tell you live in a police state at least one of the following applies

you can be held without charge
you can be denied counsel whilst held
there is no time limit on how long you can be held
whilst held you can be subjected to 'extreme questioning'
Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-07-21 01:20:30 UTC
The NYPD, neither courteous, professional, or respectful.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#7 - 2014-07-21 04:09:01 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
I sit in a slight state of disbelief. A police officer choked out a very large black man, and then the man dies. The police boss and the mayor act hardly touched by the incodent. From what I gathered the man broke up a fight and the police wanted to arrest him for it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-5UY9I1EbU there is the actual video.

Now, New York also has a stop and frisk policy. They can stop and frisk anybody any time they are walking down the street. You can not decline this becuse, from what I understand, you can be arrested.

My point: Police have been given too much power and are abusing it. Authority should only belong to those who are beyond reproach. These officers are hardly beyond reproach. Their power needs a collar and they need to be tamed.

They stand on empowerment of "We are out here keeping the streets safe". No they don't. They are corrupt. Many many videos are out there showing New york police beating and harrasing people. New York has very strict gun laws, almost too strict. The mayor makes laws based on his personal feelings towards things (should not be doing that). The police never questions orders and seem to like being bullies.

Solutions: Walk away from the police every time you see them. Make them feel isolated. Do not serve them at restraunts.

Yes I understand they are all not like this. However from being in the military I learned that by leaning on the good ones they pressure the bad ones.

Why do I care? I don't really know. I hear about it all the time and am sick of hearing about how New York is tore up and all people do is shrug their shoulders. How about you take your city back?

Sorry if this is against forum rules, and if it gets locked I understand however this is my feeble attempt to draw attention to something that needs fixed. Sorry CCP just needed to be said. Fly safe.



What's this personal axe of yours? The police officers on the ground aren't writing the laws. Besides, I doubt they're going to pat you down for giggles when they can just keep walking as a perfectly reasonable alternative

Speaking as someone who spent a summer interning as airport security. I can honestly tell you that "not putting your hands on strangers" is a great thing and any day you can get away with it should be cherished because people are filthy and smelly and they have the most disgusting things on their person.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-07-21 04:37:05 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
What's this personal axe of yours? The police officers on the ground aren't writing the laws. Besides, I doubt they're going to pat you down for giggles when they can just keep walking as a perfectly reasonable alternative

Speaking as someone who spent a summer interning as airport security. I can honestly tell you that "not putting your hands on strangers" is a great thing and any day you can get away with it should be cherished because people are filthy and smelly and they have the most disgusting things on their person.

Whatever you say, dear.

A Charlotte-area flight attendant and cancer survivor contacted WBTV after she says she was forced to show her prosthetic breast during a pat-down.

And, consequently.. a 2013 review by the fed’s Government Accountability Office recommended cutting funds for it because there was no proof of its effectiveness

There's plenty of stories about TSA behavior. I can link many more if you'd like.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#9 - 2014-07-21 04:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
Sibyyl wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
What's this personal axe of yours? The police officers on the ground aren't writing the laws. Besides, I doubt they're going to pat you down for giggles when they can just keep walking as a perfectly reasonable alternative

Speaking as someone who spent a summer interning as airport security. I can honestly tell you that "not putting your hands on strangers" is a great thing and any day you can get away with it should be cherished because people are filthy and smelly and they have the most disgusting things on their person.

Whatever you say, dear.

A Charlotte-area flight attendant and cancer survivor contacted WBTV after she says she was forced to show her prosthetic breast during a pat-down.

And, consequently.. a 2013 review by the fed’s Government Accountability Office recommended cutting funds for it because there was no proof of its effectiveness

There's plenty of stories about TSA behavior. I can link many more if you'd like.



Except I worked for LFV.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-07-21 09:25:32 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Except I worked for LFV.

And somehow you thought Arthie's commentary on state police in America applied to airport security in Sweden?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-07-21 11:20:12 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
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What's this personal axe of yours? The police officers on the ground aren't writing the laws. Besides, I doubt they're going to pat you down for giggles when they can just keep walking as a perfectly reasonable alternative

Speaking as someone who spent a summer interning as airport security. I can honestly tell you that "not putting your hands on strangers" is a great thing and any day you can get away with it should be cherished because people are filthy and smelly and they have the most disgusting things on their person.



Airport security. You are not anything close to a police officer.
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-07-21 11:23:42 UTC
Slymah wrote:
Less melodrama needed here.

The guy was a known criminal arrested over a dozen times.

If he wasn't so extremely obese and clearly resisting arrest he would not have had a heart attack.


Moral of the story - Don't run around committing crime and resisting arrest and you'll be fine. Also, being fat is stressful on your heart.






No meldorama. Stop and think. Just sit there in that arm chair and think. Would there have been a better way to resolve this? I wont give you the answers, figure out all the alternatives by yourself.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#13 - 2014-07-21 13:16:03 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Except I worked for LFV.

And somehow you thought Arthie's commentary on state police in America applied to airport security in Sweden?


Yes because like the people working within that field. 99.99% of the people doing it don't want to spend a second more than they have to, touching strangers. But still whenever one individual goes overboard it makes national headlines and people like you want to blame it on the rest of the people in the same profession.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-07-21 13:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
RAIN Arthie wrote:
[No meldorama. Stop and think. Just sit there in that arm chair and think. Would there have been a better way to resolve this? I wont give you the answers, figure out all the alternatives by yourself.
My chair doesn't have armrests. A throne should never be comfortable.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-07-21 14:07:07 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Except I worked for LFV.

And somehow you thought Arthie's commentary on state police in America applied to airport security in Sweden?


Yes because like the people working within that field. 99.99% of the people doing it don't want to spend a second more than they have to, touching strangers. But still whenever one individual goes overboard it makes national headlines and people like you want to blame it on the rest of the people in the same profession.



Your thinking about 1/4 of the issues. Just enough to make a small point. Touching is the action, the reason for the touching is unjustified. Frisking people walking down the street for no reason is justified how? Leaving the matter unckecked is the citizens fault. Leaving their government to act as they will, without being challenged is a failure of that portion of society. People like me keep people like YOU free. People like you are what I refer to as sheeple.
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-07-21 14:17:52 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
RAIN Arthie wrote:
[No meldorama. Stop and think. Just sit there in that arm chair and think. Would there have been a better way to resolve this? I wont give you the answers, figure out all the alternatives by yourself.
My chair doesn't have armrests. A throne should never be comfortable.


Real men stand and don't need a throne.
Slymah
DorpCorp
#17 - 2014-07-21 16:11:21 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
Slymah wrote:
Less melodrama needed here.

The guy was a known criminal arrested over a dozen times.

If he wasn't so extremely obese and clearly resisting arrest he would not have had a heart attack.


Moral of the story - Don't run around committing crime and resisting arrest and you'll be fine. Also, being fat is stressful on your heart.






No meldorama. Stop and think. Just sit there in that arm chair and think. Would there have been a better way to resolve this? I wont give you the answers, figure out all the alternatives by yourself.



*Keeping in mind we don't have all the information leading up to this particular apprehension. The only 'fact' we have is that this individual was resisting arrest which is a crime itself. We don't have the information on 'why' he was being questioned or detained. If that is where you are going with this then you have just as much info as I do which is none.

However, I would have simply tazed him. But then that would also probably cause him to have a heart attack and bring out all the anti-cop/bleeding heart/conspiracy nutters to rally to a criminals side.
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-07-21 16:19:35 UTC
[[/quote]


No meldorama. Stop and think. Just sit there in that arm chair and think. Would there have been a better way to resolve this? I wont give you the answers, figure out all the alternatives by yourself.[/quote]


*Keeping in mind we don't have all the information leading up to this particular apprehension. The only 'fact' we have is that this individual was resisting arrest which is a crime itself. We don't have the information on 'why' he was being questioned or detained. If that is where you are going with this then you have just as much info as I do which is none.

However, I would have simply tazed him. But then that would also probably cause him to have a heart attack and bring out all the anti-cop/bleeding heart/conspiracy nutters to rally to a criminals side.
[/quote]


Keep thinking, your about 1/4 of the way there.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2014-07-21 16:21:46 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Except I worked for LFV.

And somehow you thought Arthie's commentary on state police in America applied to airport security in Sweden?


Yes because like the people working within that field. 99.99% of the people doing it don't want to spend a second more than they have to, touching strangers. But still whenever one individual goes overboard it makes national headlines and people like you want to blame it on the rest of the people in the same profession.



Your thinking about 1/4 of the issues. Just enough to make a small point. Touching is the action, the reason for the touching is unjustified. Frisking people walking down the street for no reason is justified how? Leaving the matter unckecked is the citizens fault. Leaving their government to act as they will, without being challenged is a failure of that portion of society. People like me keep people like YOU free. People like you are what I refer to as sheeple.


How else would you look for guns/knifes/drugs in an area that has a problem with guns/knives/drugs?
Xenuria
#20 - 2014-07-21 18:06:32 UTC
Does this count as a political thread?
I have no love for crooked cops, or crooked anything.

I am very vocal about my distaste for corruption at any level. I cried when I watched Tony Balloni pepper spray a bunch of random people including some fellow officers. I cried but I wasn't shocked.


None of this should shock anybody. Not now, not 20 years ago.

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