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Changing mining and manufacturing for more fairness and social justice
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Lori Toucard
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-07 19:20:03 UTC
Hello my fellow EVE players.

I want to introduce you to my concept, that will make EVE a more fair and enjoyable place for everyone.

1) Mining
After trying some mining i noticed that mainly poor players have to mine, this is very unfair.
CCP could force anyone to mine a certain amount of ore per month to contribute to the community and pay their fair share.
If they refuse to mine their amount of ore, the value x1 will be deducted from their wallet at the end of the month at the first offence.
When they dont meet their goals at the second month too (assuming active sub) the value x 2 will be deducted and so on.

What happens with the ISK?
We have to form a committee of social justice that will be elected by the players and confirmed by CCP, just like the CSM.
The money will be distributed each month between all the players that meet the ore delivery goals and a special point system.
You earn points for:
1) Fighting against discrimination and climate change
2) By participating in social justice events
This way the fresh and poor players get a real isk boost by proving ore to the community, that we all need.

2) Manufacturing
It is horrible to watch how manufacturers get richer and richer each day, while the poor players are suffering.
The big guys need to pay their fair share by contributing every 2nd item at of the same kind they manufacture to the community at production cost.
The committee of social justice will then use the point system to decide who is the person in need who receives the item at production cost.

3) Trading
Jita Traders are the richest of the rich in EVE and they pay nothing back to the community.
CCP could easily implement another 5% tax on sales on characters that are flagged as traders (turnover over 1 billion isk per day for more than 30 days total in a 3 month period), just like the current 1% tax.
This 5% of every sale will be distributed between all new players and the top 1000 in the social justice points ranking list.

I know all changes i suggest may sound radical on the first read, but please think about it and you will realize that it would turn EVE in a better place for all of us.

Thank you for reading

Mistress of Social Justice
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#2 - 2011-12-07 19:29:07 UTC
Heh, I assume this is a joke? A sandbox game that forces you to do something you don't want to? hmm...sounds like a winner Big smile
Jim Hooknose
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-12-07 19:30:18 UTC
+1 to all of the above.

For great justice!
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#4 - 2011-12-07 19:37:42 UTC
Damn commies!

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#5 - 2011-12-07 19:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Not sure why I didnt see this immediately, but the OP is obviously trolling.

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Kalipoli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-07 19:38:47 UTC
I started with the same 5,000 isk as everyone else. No-one forces people to mine and No-one forces someone to manufacture.

This is as close to a free market as you can get, whether you take advantage of a miner who is selling his goods way to cheap or taking it upon yourself to pay what you think is a fair amount for the minerals.

You're version of social justice would be an unnecessary change to eve in favor of short term players versus long term players and would eventually ruin any reason to play Eve.

Plus with isk being taken from wealthier players and redistributing it to more poor players, the poor players have more isk to spend but since there is no longer a realworld time investment the currency loses much of its value and much like a person in real life who wants to spend hundreds of dollars on plex to pad their virtual wallets, the currency becomes expendable and virtually worthless as their is no longer a base of time investment to add value to the currency.

You're version of social justice would destroy the system entirely for anyone to make isk investing only time.

This is not the real world, I don't care if you're Evekids starve or you cant make it to Evework this morning because you're Evecar was reposessed. If you don't want to be a poor miner, hop into a different ship change you skill que and blow some stuff up.


Lori Toucard
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-12-07 19:39:16 UTC
Salcon Cliff wrote:
Heh, I assume this is a joke? A sandbox game that forces you to do something you don't want to? hmm...sounds like a winner Big smile


No, you are wrong.

Remember when you were a kid in the sandbox?
Your mother told you what to do, because she knew what was good for you and what not.
The committee of social justice will be like the mother of the eve community, taking care of it and keeping the harm away.

Mistress of Social Justice
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#8 - 2011-12-07 19:42:36 UTC
Lori Toucard wrote:
Salcon Cliff wrote:
Heh, I assume this is a joke? A sandbox game that forces you to do something you don't want to? hmm...sounds like a winner Big smile


No, you are wrong.

Remember when you were a kid in the sandbox?
Your mother told you what to do, because she knew what was good for you and what not.
The committee of social justice will be like the mother of the eve community, taking care of it and keeping the harm away.



No offence, but most of us are adults not kids. Secondly, if people are too stupid to climb to the top they shouldn't expect to be at the top.

Take your communistic ideals to Eve China please.

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Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#9 - 2011-12-07 19:55:23 UTC
'sandbox' is a term referring to the open possibilities of the game, not referring to some silica content.

I doubt my mom every told me what to do in the sandbox, I am from a generation (or two) before that. I probably finger painted with the cat **** (and learned that it stunk) w/o intervention from adults.

Every toon making lots of isk now made it from a starting position that is the same as every other player - there are no inheritances in the game. Well, other than plex, I suppose, which DOES subsidize the 'poor' player by making the game cheaper and/or providing money to make it better.
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#10 - 2011-12-07 20:07:17 UTC
Personally I think it's disgusting the way the little man is always held down in this game. It's not just the mining but it's T1 manufacture as well. There should be some sort of mechanism that prevents you from doing the entry stuff after a certain point.

Say maybe after 6 months you aren't allowed to manufacture any T1 items and must do invention instead. Same with things like POSes as well. After so long you aren't allowed to put one up in high-sec and have to do it in lowsex to give people a chance.

Maybe even have access to the higher security systems restricted based on account age. This would also help to make lowsec and null more popular and could only be good for the game.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#11 - 2011-12-07 20:17:46 UTC
Salcon Cliff wrote:
'sandbox' is a term referring to the open possibilities of the game, not referring to some silica content.

I doubt my mom every told me what to do in the sandbox, I am from a generation (or two) before that. I probably finger painted with the cat **** (and learned that it stunk) w/o intervention from adults.

Every toon making lots of isk now made it from a starting position that is the same as every other player - there are no inheritances in the game. Well, other than plex, I suppose, which DOES subsidize the 'poor' player by making the game cheaper and/or providing money to make it better.



WTT cat **** for silica... Bear

@Lauren -- If you don't like the way that the older players are running things ... maybe find a few to work WITH, and get some additional benefits in the process...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-12-07 21:07:34 UTC
I bought 5 of those new implants on day 1 @ 15-30m apiece and then sold them for very handsome profits a few days later. Did I do social injustice for not returning more profits to the people who didn't value them properly?
Percival Gates
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-12-07 22:15:04 UTC
YEAH! EAT THE RICH!

I propose that every player that has over 2b in isk + assets be taxed 10%. The proceeds will go into a welfare fund that will be distributed to the poor players. After all, the poor miners work WAY harder than the greedy traders who just manipulate markets and laugh at the poor. It's not fair that they can do that. X

Also, the same rich ppl should be forced to grant loans to the poor who can't ever hope to pay back the loan. Also, the loan should be very low interest, or maybe even interest free.

For miners, we can form a miner union that will boycott and refuse to work unless CCP increases the value of tritanium. For a small fee of 50m per month, you can join my union. Please disregard the fact that I will be filthy rich from union dues.

YAY POOR FTW
Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-12-07 22:22:02 UTC
Lori Toucard wrote:
Hello my fellow EVE players.

I want to introduce you to my concept, that will make EVE a more fair and enjoyable place for everyone.


Normally I wouldn't bother opening a thread with socialist crap in the subject, but I was tempted...

... and I stopped after the above sentence. "More fair"? Sorry, but this ain't Hello Kitty Online.

Where's the "negative karma" button?
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#15 - 2011-12-07 22:33:45 UTC
OP is T R O L L I N G you all.

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Illectroculus Defined
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-12-07 22:36:28 UTC
If you're a capsuleer, you're already in the 1%.

Anyway obvious troll is obvious, Eve is not a real economic system. However is you want to see Keynsian economics at work, look at the successful 0.0 alliances, they all have extensive welfare programs which help the poorer members to contribute more. Space communism has proven to be quite successful.
sitar seaton
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-12-07 22:58:14 UTC
barack are you playing again????
Beaches
#18 - 2011-12-07 23:17:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Beaches
In addition to this we should limit the use of MWD in favor of Afterburners, the reasons behind this are

A) It's a matter of public health and safety and for the population's own good, these high speeds are dangerous and unnecessary

B) MWD pump 10x the amount of pollution into space which is fragile as it is

I'd also like to draw attention to the a public health danger in PI, it is in my understanding that some of the consumer products being produced consist of 1.5x the average caloric daily requirements for the average pod pilot. This is not only unhealthy but our pods are only so big and if people get to fat they will be uncomfortable. So therefor a 10% export tax should be added to PI in order to stem this madness.
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#19 - 2011-12-08 01:54:49 UTC
I think the proper reply would be:

Cool Story bro...

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Sassaniak
Deadspace Zombie Factory
#20 - 2011-12-08 02:15:15 UTC
OCCUPY SANDBOX!

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Sometimes, you all make me very disappointed.
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