Skill Discussions

This is already available in a very popular game

https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/world-of-warcraft

Mom's CC can buy anything.

And of course titans are getting more common. Toons are getting older and gaining those skills needed to build and fly them. Does it surprise you that people are eventually reaching their goals? Lol. Besides, the null sec coalitions have nothing else to do with their money because of the dead meta game in sov null. That has nothing to do with this.

Anyway, if you had actually read my posts you would know I don't even necessarily want to make it take less time to master anything. I just thought that the skills needed should be broader so there are less 2+ week grinds with no character advancement at all. It gets boring seeing the same skill on your queue for weeks. And while that's expected of older toons, newer toons see it all the time too because people are afraid of change.

Again, it should take long to fly T2 hulls. But Amarr Battleship V is like 26 days of no advancement. Advanced Weapon Upgrades V is like two weeks. See a pattern? For T2 hulls they are stacking a lot of skills together to bar them for the sake of barring them from flying the ship too early. Why not bar them in a way that would also provide incremental character growth and have it be more satisfying yet still take the same amount of time?





They don't have skill ups in WoW anymore. It was a pointless grind. They already have levels and gear checks and skill checks which are arguably too low on the lower end content but sufficiently high at the top end of the meta game. The skill ups did nothing to help the game at all.

so I've been told I don't know the meaning of "meaningful," "that's not how game design works," and reminded this is not WoW. the intent behind Level V skill requirements is apparently clear to those people. but they get quiet when I ask what they think skills might look like in the future, after extending their logic.

sorry, I forgot. if a person isn't CCP or omniscient, their analysis isn't worth sharing.

you're right, dude, without a direct answer from CCP regarding their intentions, this is just a discussion, and no one is guaranteed to be right. there are still points to be made, based on reason, and as long as they have substance. for example:

racial T3 skills are another indication that non-racial T2 skills is an outdated way of thinking, and that a racial T2 split would occur. A racial T2 split would also support the commonly held idea that specialization should represent a subscription time sacrifice.

Since T3's have not yet had their much needed balance pass they aren't really a valid example. Who knows what CCP will do them when it comes time.

No they are not. T3 hulls are not T2 hulls. They have a totally different purpose than T2 hulls do (specialization vs generalization) and they work in totally different ways with their own unique set of balancing factors. So using T3 skills to make inferences about T2 skill changes is just silly. Now based on the current power level of some T3 setups compared to their specialized T2 cousins there are clearly some changes that need to be made. However what those changes will be is anyone's guess at this point.

Also, nobody cares how WoW is doing. EVE is not WoW and should not try and be like WoW. One of the basic ways to not be like WoW is to not dumb things down and let people get specialized into every ship and/or role quickly.

Gospadin, I believe the objection to a system like that is you get 80% of the bonuses for 18% of the SP.

Pretty sure this thread is over.

I'm quite pleased with what this thread has shown me, far more than the answer I thought I was looking for. quite pleased.

it exposes the reasons why people accept things, that's for sure. I also suspect people avoid venturing outside of 'what is' due to a lack of creativity. couldn't imagine it