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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-07-18 17:30:10 UTC
Alexander Eisenhower wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Auto targeting missiles. Warp in, get agro, turn on the launchers, everything dies.

Also they usually have more range than your ship targeting range, works great with LMJD.

Example 1.
Typhoon.
Ship targeting range: 81 km.
Auto targeting cruise missile range: 148 km.
So the rats might be 140 km away, I kill them anyway.

Example 2.
Raven.
Ship targeting range: 93 km.
Auto targeting cruise missile range: 228 km.
The rats might be 200 km away, don't matter, I don't need to lock them, as long as I have agro the auto targeting cruise missiles will kill them.



A very very good reason to train for torps :) Thanks

Eh? You lost me at torps.

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hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#22 - 2014-07-19 09:56:58 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
The only thing that counters sensor damping is sensor boosters.

Sorry to break it for you but they don't. Not in PvE. Once I have attempted said Blockade with double scripted SeBos, got capped at 250km range and when the second wave hit I was still reduced to 20-ish km.

So no, Bastion or GTFOMJD.
Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-07-19 10:42:08 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Alexander Eisenhower wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Auto targeting missiles. Warp in, get agro, turn on the launchers, everything dies.

Also they usually have more range than your ship targeting range, works great with LMJD.

Example 1.
Typhoon.
Ship targeting range: 81 km.
Auto targeting cruise missile range: 148 km.
So the rats might be 140 km away, I kill them anyway.

Example 2.
Raven.
Ship targeting range: 93 km.
Auto targeting cruise missile range: 228 km.
The rats might be 200 km away, don't matter, I don't need to lock them, as long as I have agro the auto targeting cruise missiles will kill them.



A very very good reason to train for torps :) Thanks

Eh? You lost me at torps.



Sorry, cruise missles, Im not very familiar with projectiles yet. Never liked them much, especially at long range, it takes so long to hit target, lol.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-07-19 10:52:13 UTC
Alexander Eisenhower wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Alexander Eisenhower wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Auto targeting missiles. Warp in, get agro, turn on the launchers, everything dies.

Also they usually have more range than your ship targeting range, works great with LMJD.

Example 1.
Typhoon.
Ship targeting range: 81 km.
Auto targeting cruise missile range: 148 km.
So the rats might be 140 km away, I kill them anyway.

Example 2.
Raven.
Ship targeting range: 93 km.
Auto targeting cruise missile range: 228 km.
The rats might be 200 km away, don't matter, I don't need to lock them, as long as I have agro the auto targeting cruise missiles will kill them.



A very very good reason to train for torps :) Thanks

Eh? You lost me at torps.



Sorry, cruise missles, Im not very familiar with projectiles yet. Never liked them much, especially at long range, it takes so long to hit target, lol.


ummh ... projectles are either autocannon or artillery. Cruise Missiles are missiles.


But we know what you meant :D
Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-07-19 10:59:15 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Alexander Eisenhower wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Alexander Eisenhower wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Auto targeting missiles. Warp in, get agro, turn on the launchers, everything dies.

Also they usually have more range than your ship targeting range, works great with LMJD.

Example 1.
Typhoon.
Ship targeting range: 81 km.
Auto targeting cruise missile range: 148 km.
So the rats might be 140 km away, I kill them anyway.

Example 2.
Raven.
Ship targeting range: 93 km.
Auto targeting cruise missile range: 228 km.
The rats might be 200 km away, don't matter, I don't need to lock them, as long as I have agro the auto targeting cruise missiles will kill them.



A very very good reason to train for torps :) Thanks

Eh? You lost me at torps.



Sorry, cruise missles, Im not very familiar with projectiles yet. Never liked them much, especially at long range, it takes so long to hit target, lol.


ummh ... projectles are either autocannon or artillery. Cruise Missiles are missiles.


But we know what you meant :D


LOL! thats what i get for pre-coffee posting Oops
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-07-19 17:40:50 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
The only thing that counters sensor damping is sensor boosters.



sadly NPC's hack and have super ewar


there's the 'newish' targeting skills, that give a tiny boost to your sensor strength. not really much help against npc's though
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#27 - 2014-07-20 08:45:49 UTC
yup....
Rats EWAR is stupidly impossible to resist so far from my attempts. the solution for me was more ganky fit and kill e'm fasta.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-07-20 14:42:12 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
yup....
Rats EWAR is stupidly impossible to resist so far from my attempts. the solution for me was more ganky fit and kill e'm fasta.

Even with a ECCM I still found my nightmare being jammed 3 times in a single Dread Pirate mission. But I think its sort of fair because even with tracking computers, a couple rat TD's will put you squarely into falloff. And even with a sensor booster, a few damps will force you to move in closer than you normally would feel like doing.

This lets marauders have their time in the spotlight.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-07-20 14:45:53 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
yup....
Rats EWAR is stupidly impossible to resist so far from my attempts. the solution for me was more ganky fit and kill e'm fasta.

Definitely agree that more gank than tank is the way to go with most missions that have EWAR. Even for missions without EWAR it's best.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#30 - 2014-07-21 08:43:56 UTC
Serpentis blockade means 4+ elite cruiser dumping you to 12 km range even with sensor booster. They have high resists, so it realy takes time to kill them even if you are in range and have blaster fitted Hyperion. I like how local bad asses often boasting about blitzing L4 missions, but not all missions are like "Recon" or "Dread pirate Scarlet". Try to blitz "Angel Extravaganza" or this serpentis blockade under 15 minutes with T1 munition, than post your video on youtube. That would really help.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#31 - 2014-07-21 16:48:06 UTC
hmskrecik wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
The only thing that counters sensor damping is sensor boosters.

Sorry to break it for you but they don't. Not in PvE. Once I have attempted said Blockade with double scripted SeBos, got capped at 250km range and when the second wave hit I was still reduced to 20-ish km.

So no, Bastion or GTFOMJD.


No, they work. You are just being damped so badly by multiple rats that the sensor booster isn't helping. However, if it was 1-2 rats, then it would help. Sensor booster with targeting range script increase your targeting range, while a sensor damp decreases it; so the 2 kinda even out, except the rat isn't using scripts.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#32 - 2014-07-21 16:51:14 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Serpentis blockade means 4+ elite cruiser dumping you to 12 km range even with sensor booster. They have high resists, so it realy takes time to kill them even if you are in range and have blaster fitted Hyperion. I like how local bad asses often boasting about blitzing L4 missions, but not all missions are like "Recon" or "Dread pirate Scarlet". Try to blitz "Angel Extravaganza" or this serpentis blockade under 15 minutes with T1 munition, than post your video on youtube. That would really help.


You can blitz Blockade easily. All you have to do is trigger all the rats until the final rat spawns, and then kill it. To complete The Blockade, all you have to do is kill the highest bounty rat in the final wave. You do not have to kill everything, unless you have a poor tank.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#33 - 2014-07-21 17:41:21 UTC  |  Edited by: hmskrecik
Estella Osoka wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
The only thing that counters sensor damping is sensor boosters.

Sorry to break it for you but they don't. Not in PvE. Once I have attempted said Blockade with double scripted SeBos, got capped at 250km range and when the second wave hit I was still reduced to 20-ish km.

So no, Bastion or GTFOMJD.


No, they work. You are just being damped so badly by multiple rats that the sensor booster isn't helping. However, if it was 1-2 rats, then it would help. Sensor booster with targeting range script increase your targeting range, while a sensor damp decreases it; so the 2 kinda even out, except the rat isn't using scripts.

It would require first hand confirmation from someone of CCP devs but I strongly suspect that NPC EWAR isn't stacking penalized. Which means that there's no damp-rat:sebo equivalence. You need more that two sensor upgrades to counter two rats and the more of them the bigger discrepancy. Speaking of, during this mission it is normal to have at least 4 damps on you and at times I counted even 8. How do you plan to counter that?

Also, my suspicion again, your range is first capped and then reduced due to damps. In consequence, once you hit the range cap, any further sensor upgrade module is a waste of slot. Sort of defies brute force strategy in this regard, if you asked me.

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You can blitz Blockade easily. All you have to do is trigger all the rats until the final rat spawns, and then kill it. To complete The Blockade, all you have to do is kill the highest bounty rat in the final wave. You do not have to kill everything, unless you have a poor tank.

Non-blitzed mission is worth about 20 mil in bounties alone.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#34 - 2014-07-22 07:55:36 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:


You can blitz Blockade easily. All you have to do is trigger all the rats until the final rat spawns, and then kill it. To complete The Blockade, all you have to do is kill the highest bounty rat in the final wave. You do not have to kill everything, unless you have a poor tank.


I "could" blitz it easely if I would not be jammed to few km range. So I have to kill jamming ships first or get under fire of 20+ blaster fitted battleships + cruisers, battlecruisers and destroyers. Even active tanked Hyperion with ancillary armor repairer could not stay on field long enough to tank entire room untill the " highest bounty rat" got down to hull.

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