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The point of sov nullsec?

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Solaine Talvanis
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-07-20 00:56:10 UTC
I've played for quite some time.. took a 1,5 year break from EvE and recently returned because.. there's nothing else really like it.

So at this point I'm considering what I should do..
- Wormholes seem awfully complicated and high maintenance considering my limited play time each week.
- I've tried factional warfare.. mass-paranoia and not alot of good fights to be found. Plus limited research tells me that the whole game has been rigged by LP-farmers anyway so.. what's the point.
- I've a nice lvl 4 setup in highsec I can use when needed to fund pvp, but other than an emergency ISK-faucet.. meh.
- NPC 0.0 seems barren.. can't really think of a reason to be there tbh.. and I've tried.

So.. I'm thinking sov 0.0. But when it comes to my gamestyle, I like playing in a way that'll make me ISK! at the end of the day.
Preferably more than I can make back in highsec. I know there's no PvP and noteworthy excitement to be had there.. but still.
Don't get me wrong, I like PVP, but not for the sole purpose of PVP (without there being some point to the fighting.

What're your reasons to live in sov 0.0, besides the fact that you get to shoot at..stuff , alot?
I left 0.0 around the time they changed the ways sanctums and those other "regular" anamolies work.
From the shouts, fire and smoke rising behind me as I left I gathered that few were pleased with the changes.. don't know how things currently are though..?

And I can't think of alliances sharing the wealth they pull from moons and such amongst their members, gently but ever so kindly feeding the hungry wallets of their underlings..
So what makes it attractive for me, as an individual to go out there and fight for other people who are making ISK(!)?

And yes, I'm honestly being serious.. give me your stories.. Smile
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#2 - 2014-07-20 01:04:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
**** waving. That's all SOV null is good for.

And it depends what alliance you're in, but I do get ISK from my alliance any time I PVP. My reimbursements are cash positive. So when I die, I get more than the ship cost me. YMMV, but if I were so inclined, I could plex my account and PVP all day from reimbursements.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-07-20 01:18:42 UTC
The are just for fun :O and waving off course.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-07-20 02:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
I've been in TNT for almost 2 months now. Having a great time. Rat all I want in Deklein to make isk. Even before the war in Delve there were fleets forming in VFK several times a day to find pilots to shoot. Small fleets, big fleets, ludicrous fleets, we have it all. Currently the CFC is deployed to Delve because we got tired of shlepping down there every day to fight BL, Pasta, and Brave.

I make plenty of isk to PLEX my 2 accounts and had the highest PVP fleet participation in my corp last month. I never made enough to PLEX accounts in hisec; probably because I'm playing more now because hisec was booo-oooring. But it is possible to make isk and PVP. All I had to do was sell my soul to the Goon overlords. And I'm an immortal capsuleer, what do I need with a soul anyway?

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#5 - 2014-07-20 02:22:22 UTC
The swarm thanks you for your ratting taxes, by the way.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-07-20 02:46:54 UTC
If you're just this one solo, missions in a quiet npc null, mixed with other pve, can make you a quiet pile of space moneys.
Eventually, that money has to burn though.
Sov null became a bit repetetive in my experience: between deployments and strat-ops, PI anoms and belts for the wallet, interrupted by home def or roams into other people's yards to test their home def. Any time there was a lull in violence, the pvp nature of the alliance had people at each other's throats out of boredom, so content was hisec assassinations for newbros, or the leadership would log on their red alts to kill our farmers.
So yeah, without helicopter-peening sov null would be the isk grazing that renting currently is.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Aziesta
Binal Extensions
Xagenic Freymvork
#7 - 2014-07-20 03:26:55 UTC
Solaine Talvanis wrote:
So.. I'm thinking sov 0.0. But when it comes to my gamestyle, I like playing in a way that'll make me ISK! at the end of the day.

I can only speak for myself, but if from my experience, if you want to live in 0.0 with the sole goal to make money, you will not enjoy it for very long.

Yes, you can probably make more from PvE in null than you can in high. Yes, you'll make more mining in null than you would in high. Yes, you can possibly make isk from pvp.

However, none of the above should be the exclusive reason people go to null. My favorite part of being in null, and the aspect that CCP tries so furiously to promote, is the idea of what you can build (or destroy) by cooperating with other people. I didn't go to null to make money. I went to help defend a home. I went to help mine the minerals, which would be used to build ammo, which would be used to stock the market, which would be bought by my friends to help them make isk, or shoot baddies. I went to help join in the fleet that would try to kick the roaming gang out, or try to expand our territory, or just try to harass the enemy. I personally love the feeling that null provides of "This is my home, you can have it when you pry it from my cold, dead hands".

In general, the people that go to null with the goal of helping themselves end up contributing very little to the group, and burning out once they've mastered the pve and acquired a small fortune. But if you go to null with the goal of helping the group, you'll find a nearly endless source of challenges, content, and personal victories.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#8 - 2014-07-20 03:30:59 UTC
You will generally not make more money in null than you will in highsec.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-07-20 03:33:54 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
You will generally not make more money in null than you will in highsec.

This is fact.
There's a reason that most null players have at least one highsec alt.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#10 - 2014-07-20 03:46:37 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
You will generally not make more money in null than you will in highsec.

This is fact.
There's a reason that most null players have at least one highsec alt.


Yup, keep up the propaganda at all times.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#11 - 2014-07-20 03:55:03 UTC
Solaine Talvanis wrote:
I've played for quite some time.. took a 1,5 year break from EvE and recently returned because.. there's nothing else really like it.

So at this point I'm considering what I should do..
- Wormholes seem awfully complicated and high maintenance considering my limited play time each week.
- I've tried factional warfare.. mass-paranoia and not alot of good fights to be found. Plus limited research tells me that the whole game has been rigged by LP-farmers anyway so.. what's the point.
- I've a nice lvl 4 setup in highsec I can use when needed to fund pvp, but other than an emergency ISK-faucet.. meh.
- NPC 0.0 seems barren.. can't really think of a reason to be there tbh.. and I've tried.

So.. I'm thinking sov 0.0. But when it comes to my gamestyle, I like playing in a way that'll make me ISK! at the end of the day.
Preferably more than I can make back in highsec. I know there's no PvP and noteworthy excitement to be had there.. but still.
Don't get me wrong, I like PVP, but not for the sole purpose of PVP (without there being some point to the fighting.

What're your reasons to live in sov 0.0, besides the fact that you get to shoot at..stuff , alot?
I left 0.0 around the time they changed the ways sanctums and those other "regular" anamolies work.
From the shouts, fire and smoke rising behind me as I left I gathered that few were pleased with the changes.. don't know how things currently are though..?

And I can't think of alliances sharing the wealth they pull from moons and such amongst their members, gently but ever so kindly feeding the hungry wallets of their underlings..
So what makes it attractive for me, as an individual to go out there and fight for other people who are making ISK(!)?

And yes, I'm honestly being serious.. give me your stories.. Smile


OK, bottom line: Eve is boring, period, full stop.
Look at the PCU, and compare it to the last 4 years.

Low sec FW is the only area with any consistent PvP activity (if you like that kind of thing), mainly because a breakaway null sec group got desperate for PvP and started FW in Huola.

So, if you want pure PvE, join a null sec group like goons, pl, or N3, or become a serf of one of them, and watch the ISK roll in.
You want PvP, do the same thing and then have an alt get into FW.

Only way you will have any "interesting times" in Eve presently.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-07-20 03:55:29 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Yup, keep up the propaganda at all times.

Not propaganda at all. I've lived in null several times since I started playing, and any time that I became broke, I'd go back to highsec to grind ISK. Eventually I just made an alt to do it, so I didn't have to deal with logistical headaches. I just ground up her standings to 5+ with a few factions to be able to run L4s with them all, and alternate between them depending on who's LP is more valuable at the time. Considering that you can run missions in highsec with about 10% of your attention, it makes for a good ISK faucet while dealing with other things.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#13 - 2014-07-20 03:56:05 UTC
Dinsdale, one day, CCP might actually get around to having EVE organised in such a way that null is the ISK fountain for individuals you imagine it to be.

I want this to happen, so we can see what happens when all the nullsec players hang up their highsec alts and move back home.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-07-20 03:57:28 UTC
That's funny because I finally got back into subcap pvp for the first time in a few months during what's supposed to be a two-week break due to RL stuff (while still vigorously posting as is my duty as a member of Goonswarm) and had more fun today than I have had in a while.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#15 - 2014-07-20 04:04:06 UTC
The point of sov nullsec is that, if you win enough, eventually even the sight of your corp ticker makes people mad at you.

That way you are trolling without even trying, and people like Dinsdale want you tried at the Hauge for war crimes in a videogame.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#16 - 2014-07-20 04:09:55 UTC
I'd actually like to see if we could arrange for some EULA compliant war crimes for our next sov war. EVE is a social experiment anyway, might as well go whole hog.

This might take some pondering.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#17 - 2014-07-20 04:12:46 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
I'd actually like to see if we could arrange for some EULA compliant war crimes for our next sov war. EVE is a social experiment anyway, might as well go whole hog.

This might take some pondering.


Highly relevant.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#18 - 2014-07-20 04:13:25 UTC
OP if you want to make isk stick with high sec and just visit low and null. You will make more isk with less effort and it is rather easy to access pvp in all areas.

Null is just empire building for the sake of empire building with no real rewards for the average line member although this is starting to change for the better with the industry changes.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-07-20 04:19:40 UTC
^^ Some interesting and rather unexpected answers from the fellows in Goonswarm..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#20 - 2014-07-20 04:22:10 UTC
Not really. We don't fight over Sov space for ISK, we do it for the bragging rights. Plus we nurse grudges extending almost a decade against various other sov holders. It's not great space, but be damned if we are going to let anyone else have it.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

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