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Risk = reward is a lie.

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Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-07-19 22:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rena Emishi
So for fun I have been mining in low sec and null sec in the new prospect ship. I can make more money afk mining in high sec.

Data and relic sites in low sec and null sec -- . Time to isk.. I can make more money afk mining in high sec. or running risk free level 4s in high sec.

CCP you game is a lie. Why are you forcing people to do mundane risk free activities by not offering huge rewards for taking risks.

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _

Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2014-07-19 22:30:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
So you have been "risking" your Prospect and a T1 frig and you are disappointed in the rewards? Roll

Maybe you need to reevaluate what risk is.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
#3 - 2014-07-19 22:33:16 UTC
Tell us moar
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-07-19 22:33:59 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
So you have been "risking" your Prospect and a T1 frig and you are disappointed in the rewards? Roll



Prospect is a T2 frig. as is the ship I use to scan and run data and relic sites. But regardless their is a real risk of losing my ships and a tiny risk of losing my implants. So yes im disappointed that I can make a lot more without any risk at all.

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _

Marsha Mallow
#5 - 2014-07-19 22:35:06 UTC
The Highsec Apolocalypse is imminent P

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Raw Matters
Blind Berserker
Valkyrie Alliance
#6 - 2014-07-19 22:35:10 UTC
It is in fact a joke what you can pull out of null-sec data sites, average is about 8m. Considering that you risk your ship and implants each time you do one, this is hardly compensating. Relic sites are better with about 20-30m per site, but they are hard to find and often contested.

Compared to mission running in high-sec vs site running in null, scanning in high vs null is a tedious and unrewarding task.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#7 - 2014-07-19 22:37:00 UTC
It's true, for every 10 jumps through null-sec in a pod you will get 1 billion ISK. Tax free.
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-07-19 22:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rena Emishi
Raw Matters wrote:
It is in fact a joke what you can pull out of null-sec data sites, average is about 8m. Considering that you risk your ship and implants each time you do one, this is hardly compensating. Relic sites are better with about 20-30m per site, but they are hard to find and often contested.

Compared to mission running in high-sec vs site running in null, scanning in high vs null is a tedious and unrewarding task.



Granted I have only been to drone space null secs to run data and relic sites... But id be fairly happy with 20-30m per site. I was getting about 4-6mill max. I was left scratching my head thinking I could have brought a ratting ship and made just as much quickly jumpin around the belts.

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _

Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2014-07-19 22:39:49 UTC
Rena Emishi wrote:
Raw Matters wrote:
It is in fact a joke what you can pull out of null-sec data sites, average is about 8m. Considering that you risk your ship and implants each time you do one, this is hardly compensating. Relic sites are better with about 20-30m per site, but they are hard to find and often contested.

Compared to mission running in high-sec vs site running in null, scanning in high vs null is a tedious and unrewarding task.



Granted I have only been to drone space null secs to run data and relic sites... But id be fairly happy with 20-30m per site. I was getting about 4-6mill max. I was left scratching my head thinking I could have brought a ratting ship and made just as much quickly jumpin around the belts.


Drone regions Roll

You're carrying a cargo scanner so you don't waste time at sites that have already had the good stuff cherry picked right?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#10 - 2014-07-19 22:40:49 UTC
Rena Emishi wrote:


CCP you game is a lie. Why are you forcing people to do mundane risk free activities by not offering huge rewards for taking risks.


The reward in low and null is the adrineline rush you get when a dude warps in and tries to kill you.
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-07-19 22:42:56 UTC
But really what roll does this prospect ship fulfil ? their is not situation you can make more money with a prospect. I could strap some mining lazor 1s to a destroyer and make more money in high sec for a fraction of the cost with zero risk of loss. I just don't understand.

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#12 - 2014-07-19 22:46:12 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Rena Emishi wrote:


CCP you game is a lie. Why are you forcing people to do mundane risk free activities by not offering huge rewards for taking risks.


The reward in low and null is the adrineline rush you get when a dude warps in and tries to kill you.
I think you have it backwards. The reward is being the dude doing the warp in to blow up the fool that thinks running sites in low/null is worth the risk.

Mr Epeen Cool
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-07-19 22:47:40 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Rena Emishi wrote:


CCP you game is a lie. Why are you forcing people to do mundane risk free activities by not offering huge rewards for taking risks.


The reward in low and null is the adrineline rush you get when a dude warps in and tries to kill you.


I get that I really do. Its why im still gonna do it I love being on edge watching local and using my d scan. But for the reward not to match the risk is fail on ccps end. Risk should equal reward.

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _

Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2014-07-19 22:48:25 UTC
"I risked cheapest class of ship in game, and made less when i mined in stronger more appropriate ship in highsec."

how about you actually understand risk before you complain. Use a barge, that is risk. Go in deep NPC space with an exhumer. THAT is serious risk.
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-07-19 22:53:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rena Emishi
Rowells wrote:
"I risked cheapest class of ship in game, and made less when i mined in stronger more appropriate ship in highsec."

how about you actually understand risk before you complain. Use a barge, that is risk. Go in deep NPC space with an exhumer. THAT is serious risk.


O shut up troll.. fine take more appropriate ship out of the equation. I can make more isk per hour mining in a venture two jumps out from jita with little to no risk. Than I can using a venture in low sec mining with massive risk and a ton of logistical problems hauling my goods to a trade hub.


Just to beef that argument up.

low sec mining.
I need to replace lost ships ( it will happen at some point )
I need to stop mining and warp off to hide from other players... hell from low sec rats.
I need to safely move my wares to a trade hub out of low sec and many jumps without being ganked.

high sec mining.
A lot safer.
Logistics a lot safer and less time consuming .
No interruptions.

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _

Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-07-19 22:53:46 UTC
Rena Emishi wrote:
But really what roll does this prospect ship fulfil ? their is not situation you can make more money with a prospect. I could strap some mining lazor 1s to a destroyer and make more money in high sec for a fraction of the cost with zero risk of loss. I just don't understand.


I'm still learning the whole mining thing, but with a maxed out mining ship and refining skills, plus being able to mine Mercoxit with the prospect is that worth the time? I think I read mercoxit comes from deep core mining Arkonor, as I haven't ever seen morphite yet anywhere. Anyway, mainly I am asking is it still not worth it when you mine mercoxit?
Paranoid Loyd
#17 - 2014-07-19 22:55:05 UTC
Rena Emishi wrote:
Rowells wrote:
"I risked cheapest class of ship in game, and made less when i mined in stronger more appropriate ship in highsec."

how about you actually understand risk before you complain. Use a barge, that is risk. Go in deep NPC space with an exhumer. THAT is serious risk.


O shut up troll.. fine take more appropriate ship out of the equation. I can make more isk per hour mining in a venture two jumps out from jita with little to no risk. Than I can using a venture in low sec mining with massive risk and a ton of logistical problems hauling my goods to a trade hub.


What is this massive risk you are perceiving? A 20mil isk frigate?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-07-19 22:56:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Duranin
Rena Emishi wrote:
Risk should equal reward.

It does. Go mine with your venture in highsec and then compare the isk/h to mining with the same ship in null.

EDIT: Why are we talking about mining anyway? Go do something fun instead!
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#19 - 2014-07-19 22:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Rena Emishi wrote:
But really what roll does this prospect ship fulfil ? their is not situation you can make more money with a prospect.

It's probably most useful in wormholes.

Somewhat useful in nullsec, but only if you really target your mining to pick up ores that aren't so abundant in highsec.

PS. Dinsdale will be very disappointed about this thread. Bonus points to the OP for that.
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-07-19 23:05:59 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Rena Emishi wrote:
Risk should equal reward.

It does. Go mine with your venture in highsec and then compare the isk/h to mining with the same ship in null.

EDIT: Why are we talking about mining anyway? Go do something fun instead!


Im finding mining in low sec fun.. I'm just pissed off that their is no money to be made. And that im shooting my wallet in the face for not going afk mining in high sec.

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _

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