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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#141 - 2014-07-19 08:26:38 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Yeah, we hang out around the stations and gates. You're upset because of how WE play the game?
I'm not upset about anything. Yes, you hang out at gates and stations, so you are not elite PvPers. Thanks for admitting it. Now stop crying about it and move on with your life safe in the knowledge that you are an average plebeian at best.
Good advice that you yourself should take on board. I have to say you have a serious obsession with a pixel spaceship game that borders on the unhealthy. You should seek help.
I think I'll be fine. You'd be surprised how little of my spare time revolves around EVE. I just like to post when I'm working or travelling.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#142 - 2014-07-19 13:33:17 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Yes they do. Maybe you should prove that most of the fights doesn't happens at gates and stations in 0.0 space?

Most videos i see from 0.0 space where they are doing PVP are happening at stations and gates, so where you get the idea from that they doesn't happens there is a mystery.
I think you are getting yourself confused. Some fights will occur at stations where the station is being taken, but most null fight happen around infrastructure, not gates. You might see a gate on grid, since SBUs get put at gates, but they certainly aren't in activation range, so can't be used for evac. Capital battles you are unlikely to see near gates or stations.

Proofs of your claims?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Istyn
Freight Club
#143 - 2014-07-19 15:30:15 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Yes they do. Maybe you should prove that most of the fights doesn't happens at gates and stations in 0.0 space?

Most videos i see from 0.0 space where they are doing PVP are happening at stations and gates, so where you get the idea from that they doesn't happens there is a mystery.
I think you are getting yourself confused. Some fights will occur at stations where the station is being taken, but most null fight happen around infrastructure, not gates. You might see a gate on grid, since SBUs get put at gates, but they certainly aren't in activation range, so can't be used for evac. Capital battles you are unlikely to see near gates or stations.

Proofs of your claims?


Seriously?

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#144 - 2014-07-19 18:23:34 UTC
Its is damn hot here. Will war dec for an ice cream ! Cool

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#145 - 2014-07-19 18:41:31 UTC
Istyn wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Yes they do. Maybe you should prove that most of the fights doesn't happens at gates and stations in 0.0 space?

Most videos i see from 0.0 space where they are doing PVP are happening at stations and gates, so where you get the idea from that they doesn't happens there is a mystery.
I think you are getting yourself confused. Some fights will occur at stations where the station is being taken, but most null fight happen around infrastructure, not gates. You might see a gate on grid, since SBUs get put at gates, but they certainly aren't in activation range, so can't be used for evac. Capital battles you are unlikely to see near gates or stations.

Proofs of your claims?


Seriously?


Yeah, why not?

He's so confident on his claims here that he must have the evidences on this. So that's why i'm asking this.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#146 - 2014-07-19 20:49:31 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Istyn wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Proofs of your claims?


Seriously?


Yeah, why not?

He's so confident on his claims here that he must have the evidences on this. So that's why i'm asking this.
Uhh OK. I shouldn't need to prove that 0.0 battles occur commonly at at SBUs, since that's the the way sov is taken:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Sovereignty_Blockade_Unit

"Anchoring: Must be anchored within 150km of a stargate but not closer than 30km".

if you think about it though, most null battles evolve around structure bashing. You don't bash stargates, and stations are max 1 per system and not every system has one. So therefore most null battles will occur outside of docking and gating ranges.

I think realistically you know where null battles occur, since they are not exactly secret, but you'd rather be difficult than admit fault. Roll

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#147 - 2014-07-19 20:51:02 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Its is damn hot here. Will war dec for an ice cream ! Cool
Hot here as in the thread, or here as in IRL? Only asking because in SE England it's unusually hot right now and ice cream would be amazing Lol

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Paranoid Loyd
#148 - 2014-07-19 21:00:57 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
Its is damn hot here. Will war dec for an ice cream ! Cool
Hot here as in the thread, or here as in IRL? Only asking because in SE England it's unusually hot right now and ice cream would be amazing Lol


\o/ Ice Cream

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#149 - 2014-07-19 21:17:32 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I think realistically you know where null battles occur, since they are not exactly secret, but you'd rather be difficult than admit fault. Roll

Sure, i'm not afraid to admit faults. But are you afraid to admit your faults about how we operate and how we run our business and how we are successfull and elite at what we are doing?

If you can't admit something like this, then you can't expect others to admit other things to you either.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#150 - 2014-07-19 21:22:03 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I think realistically you know where null battles occur, since they are not exactly secret, but you'd rather be difficult than admit fault. Roll

Sure, i'm not afraid to admit faults. But are you afraid to admit your faults about how we operate and how we run our business and how we are successfull and elite at what we are doing?

If you can't admit something like this, then you can't expect others to admit other things to you either.
Ill admit fault when I feel I'm at fault. There's no way I'm ever going to accept that ganking haulers makes you elite, no matter how many haulers you gank. It's what you choose to do and you enjoy it, and I accept that, but that's as far as it goes.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#151 - 2014-07-19 21:26:41 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I think realistically you know where null battles occur, since they are not exactly secret, but you'd rather be difficult than admit fault. Roll

Sure, i'm not afraid to admit faults. But are you afraid to admit your faults about how we operate and how we run our business and how we are successfull and elite at what we are doing?

If you can't admit something like this, then you can't expect others to admit other things to you either.
Ill admit fault when I feel I'm at fault. There's no way I'm ever going to accept that ganking haulers makes you elite, no matter how many haulers you gank. It's what you choose to do and you enjoy it, and I accept that, but that's as far as it goes.

If that's what Marmite are there to provide, also to gank haulers and such ships to customers, then we are still elite at doing that as it's our job.

Marmite was created to provide services where we kill everything. So why aren't we elite at killing ships and causing huge amount of damage in isk when our killboard says it?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#152 - 2014-07-19 21:38:57 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I think realistically you know where null battles occur, since they are not exactly secret, but you'd rather be difficult than admit fault. Roll

Sure, i'm not afraid to admit faults. But are you afraid to admit your faults about how we operate and how we run our business and how we are successfull and elite at what we are doing?

If you can't admit something like this, then you can't expect others to admit other things to you either.
Ill admit fault when I feel I'm at fault. There's no way I'm ever going to accept that ganking haulers makes you elite, no matter how many haulers you gank. It's what you choose to do and you enjoy it, and I accept that, but that's as far as it goes.

If that's what Marmite are there to provide, also to gank haulers and such ships to customers, then we are still elite at doing that as it's our job.

Marmite was created to provide services where we kill everything. So why aren't we elite at killing ships and causing huge amount of damage in isk when our killboard says it?
Because you only "kill everything" as long as it's in a hub or pipe and within near perfect safety. Again, you only look at your killboard numbers, not the context of the kills. You aren't exactly difficult to avoid, so I have no idea why a customer would hire you. Red frog makes your entire corporation useless at stopping a target. You're supposedly attacking my alliance as a target, and yet my NPC alts fly pat you daily, and my mains never see you, ever.

Now if your whole job is to gank at hubs and pipes, and you didn't offer yourselves out as general mercs, then I'd be willing to conclude you are alright at your jobs, but again not "elite". Your kill values boil down to a few bil a month per character if your alliance. Even a half competent ganker could get that in a day.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#153 - 2014-07-19 21:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Lucas Kell wrote:
Because you only "kill everything" as long as it's in a hub or pipe and within near perfect safety. Again, you only look at your killboard numbers, not the context of the kills. You aren't exactly difficult to avoid, so I have no idea why a customer would hire you. Red frog makes your entire corporation useless at stopping a target. You're supposedly attacking my alliance as a target, and yet my NPC alts fly pat you daily, and my mains never see you, ever.

Now if your whole job is to gank at hubs and pipes, and you didn't offer yourselves out as general mercs, then I'd be willing to conclude you are alright at your jobs, but again not "elite". Your kill values boil down to a few bil a month per character if your alliance. Even a half competent ganker could get that in a day.

First of all, you are not the one who defines what 'elite' is. The word 'elite' is something that defines something that's been done extremely good.

Secondly, we are elite at killing anything and elite at inflicting huge amount of damage, witch again our public killboard confirms. You don't decides who or what 'elite' is as it can be a million things.

Just because you think you know what elite should be and doesn't understand that being elite isn't just limited to one thing doesn't make it to be so. We are elite at what we are doing as the killboard we have confirms it.

Why don't you understand this?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#154 - 2014-07-19 22:02:28 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
First of all, you are not the one who defines what 'elite' is. The word 'elite' is something that defines something that's been done extremely good.

We are elite at killing anything and elite at inflicting huge amount of damage, witch again our public killboard confirms. You don't decides who or what 'elite' is as it can be a million things.
I know exactly waht the word elite means, and if your only goal is to generate kill value on you board, then you are not elite at it. Look at [url=https://zkillboard.com/character/1941616627/stats/]loyalanon[/quote] for example. He is elite at getting his killboard filled up. If the members of your alliance were elite to his level then in June you'd have got 108T in isk damage. Instead you got 1.24T, which works out to be around 160m per day in kills per character, which is pretty poor. That's like a casual ganker at best.

NightmareX wrote:
Why don't you understand this?
Why don't you understand that your aren't as good at padding killboards as you think you are? And if padding killboards is what you think you are elite at, then why is that not what your corp advertises itself as?

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Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#155 - 2014-07-19 22:08:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Duranin
NightmareX wrote:
The word 'elite' is something that defines something that's been done extremely good.

Well, from looking at your killboard I would say you are extremely good at killing stupid people.
Not sure though if 'being good at something that's trivial' qualifies as 'elite'.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#156 - 2014-07-19 22:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Lucas Kell wrote:
I know exactly waht the word elite means, and if your only goal is to generate kill value on you board, then you are not elite at it. Look at [url=https://zkillboard.com/character/1941616627/stats/]loyalanon for example. He is elite at getting his killboard filled up. If the members of your alliance were elite to his level then in June you'd have got 108T in isk damage. Instead you got 1.24T, which works out to be around 160m per day in kills per character, which is pretty poor. That's like a casual ganker at best.

No you don't know what the meaning of 'elite' is. You can be 'elite' at trolling on the forum here like you are. You can be elite at running missions. There is a blillion things you can be 'elite' at. So why you are defining what 'elite' is for us is a pure example of having a low IQ.

Not only that, but 'loyalanon' isn't playing the same way as we do. We have a different type of playstyle. And for the playstyle WE use, we are 'elite' at what WE are doing. CODE is 'elite' in their type of playstyle. There doesn't just exist one type of PVP in EVE you can be 'elite' at. Just sayin.

That's why we can be 'elite' at what we are doing.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Why don't you understand that your aren't as good at padding killboards as you think you are? And if padding killboards is what you think you are elite at, then why is that not what your corp advertises itself as?

Like i said, we are 'elite' at killing all types of ships everyday as how we play EVE and we are 'elite' at inflicting damage independent of how other play EVE Online their ways. That's what you don't understand.

In your fantasy, no one can be good at killing things just because you have found out that one guy that you like kills more than others.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#157 - 2014-07-19 22:46:29 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
No you don't know what the meaning of 'elite' is. You can be 'elite' at trolling on the forum here like you are. You can be elite at running missions. There is a blillion things you can be 'elite' at. So why you are defining what 'elite' is for us is a pure example of having a low IQ.
Lol, you can keep disregarding what I'm saying, and throwing add hominems around but it still wont; change that you are not elite at anything, by any definition. Do you even bother reading what you respond to, or do you just leap in and type out your generic response?

NightmareX wrote:
Not only that, but 'loyalanon' isn't playing the same way as we do. We have a different type of playstyle. And for the playstyle WE use, we are 'elite' at what WE are doing. CODE is 'elite' in their type of playstyle. There doesn't just exist one type of PVP in EVE you can be 'elite' at. Just sayin.
He's a ganker, you're a ganker.

NightmareX wrote:
That's why we can be 'elite' at what we are doing.
OK, I'll admit that you are elite at being terrible at EVE, since that seems to be what you are boiling your activity down to being.

NightmareX wrote:
Like i said, we are 'elite' at killing all types of ships everyday as how we play EVE and we are 'elite' at inflicting damage independent of how other play EVE Online their ways. That's what you don't understand.
Except you don't kill "all type of ships everyday". You kill ships without a hope of retaliating every day. Your killboard proves this. You simply don't look at your killboard.

NightmareX wrote:
In your fantasy, no one can be good at killing things just because you have found out that one guy that you like kills more than others.
Uh no, In my "fantasy" (generally referred to as the real world), people can be elite at a great many things including "disruption of trade routes" as your alliance claims, but you are not. If your goal is to disrupt trade routes, you fail since you can be avoided with NPC alts and couriers. If your goals is to pad your killboard with ganks, you fail because you don;t even accomplish the level of kills that a casual ganker can achieve.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#158 - 2014-07-19 23:06:35 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Lucas Kell wrote:
Lol, you can keep disregarding what I'm saying, and throwing add hominems around but it still wont; change that you are not elite at anything, by any definition. Do you even bother reading what you respond to, or do you just leap in and type out your generic response?

In your head we aren't 'elite', but as for the way we play and how we run our business, we are 'elite' in every points. We are elite at killing others independent of how smart or dumb the players are. We are elite at making peoples cry, (hurray we achieved this from you) and we are elite at giving a **** about what we kill. We just shoot first and then ask later. Everything that blinky to us is something we will kill, and we are elite at doing that independent of what other do.

Lucas Kell wrote:
He's a ganker, you're a ganker.

But you completely forgets that 'loyalanon' doesn't have a real life. We do and we kill stuffs in EVE when we have the time. Again, 'loyalanon' is elite his way because he doesn't have a life except for playing EVE.

Again, there are tons of different ways that can be seen as elite. We are elite at killing everything that's blinky to us and we are elite at inflicting damage in isk every months when you consider that we have a real life outside of EVE.

Lucas Kell wrote:
OK, I'll admit that you are elite at being terrible at EVE, since that seems to be what you are boiling your activity down to being.

You are elite at not having the balls to admit it that you are wrong about this. I even admitted that i was wrong about something longer up. See the difference here?

Oh also, your tears are delicious.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Except you don't kill "all type of ships everyday". You kill ships without a hope of retaliating every day. Your killboard proves this. You simply don't look at your killboard.

We kill all types of ships that our war targets use. And they use all types of different ships.

Our killboard proves it that we don't care what we kill, we just cares that everything gets blown up in explosions. This is something we are elite at.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Uh no, In my "fantasy" (generally referred to as the real world), people can be elite at a great many things including "disruption of trade routes" as your alliance claims, but you are not. If your goal is to disrupt trade routes, you fail since you can be avoided with NPC alts and couriers. If your goals is to pad your killboard with ganks, you fail because you don;t even accomplish the level of kills that a casual ganker can achieve.

Your real world is not the same real world as mine or the others in Marmite. You have a fantasy that someone can't be good at PVP just because you found someone with better killboard statistics.

If i find a ganker that have better statistics, can i then say that 'loyalanon' isn't elite at ganking others then?

You want to me to show you someone that's much better at ganking than 'loyalanon' and then call him for bad just because i found someone that is better?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#159 - 2014-07-19 23:48:19 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
In your head we aren't 'elite', but as for the way we play and how we run our business, we are 'elite' in every points. We are elite at killing others independent of how smart or dumb the players are. We are elite at making peoples cry, (hurray we achieved this from you) and we are elite at giving a **** about what we kill. We just shoot first and then ask later. Everything that blinky to us is something we will kill, and we are elite at doing that independent of what other do.
LOL, in your opinion you are elite, yet from provable statistics you are not. You say you go after anything, but you clearly don't, and it's easily shown that anything more than the most casual ganker can do your job better than you.

NightmareX wrote:
But you completely forgets that 'loyalanon' doesn't have a real life. We do and we kill stuffs in EVE when we have the time. Again, 'loyalanon' is elite his way because he doesn't have a life except for playing EVE.
HAHAHAH, first off, you have enough time to constantly ragepost every time someone points out you suck. Secondly, your own alliance post states that you guys are serious, not casual players. Thirdly, even if you are more casual and have more of a life, that doesn't change that he is considerably more elite than you.

NightmareX wrote:
You are elite at not having the balls to admit it that you are wrong about this. I even admitted that i was wrong about something longer up. See the difference here?
Why would I admit to something that is clearly false. You will continue to cry about this until the end of time, but the fact is that you are a terrible PvPer, and you're in a terrible alliance. It's amusing to me that you think I'm crying because you suck at EVE in a completely different region to me. I truly don;t believe you can be dumb enough to truly believe that, so it's just a way for you to try to avoid having to actually counter the argument.

NightmareX wrote:
We kill all types of ships that our war targets use. And they use all types of different ships.
Bullshit. Look at your own killboard and you will see there is nowhere close to a balance of targets. You scream and run any time there's not a 99% chance of you winning the fight, because you are terrible at PvP.

I eagerly await your next tear filled ragepost. Each one makes your alliance look that much more like a bunch of crying chestbeating whiners, pretty much like Rebirth was before it died on it's ass multiple times. lel

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#160 - 2014-07-20 00:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Lucas Kell wrote:
LOL, in your opinion you are elite, yet from provable statistics you are not. You say you go after anything, but you clearly don't, and it's easily shown that anything more than the most casual ganker can do your job better than you.

Yes, we are elite as our killboard shows. For you, we aren't elite because you are a fanboy of someone with some better stats that you feel the need to sucks the balls to. Just because of your fanboism, it doesn't mean we are bad just because you found it cool to find someone with better stats and use that as a lame excuse on why we isn't elite.

We are elite in our way and your fanboy is elite in his way.

Lucas Kell wrote:
HAHAHAH, first off, you have enough time to constantly ragepost every time someone points out you suck. Secondly, your own alliance post states that you guys are serious, not casual players. Thirdly, even if you are more casual and have more of a life, that doesn't change that he is considerably more elite than you.

Wait a second. You are telling me that i'm rageposting here?

LOL, pretty funny coming from you considering it's you that are raging because you 1) cry like a baby over us, 2) hate us, 3) don't know what elite is, 4) thinks elite is limited to just one thing, 5) don't want to admit it that me, Tora and our other leaders in Marmite knows way more than you what elite is and what mercs is all about, 6) have a loverboy that you want to marry with and thinks that anyone else that doesn't have as much damage done in isk is bad.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Why would I admit to something that is clearly false. You will continue to cry about this until the end of time, but the fact is that you are a terrible PvPer, and you're in a terrible alliance. It's amusing to me that you think I'm crying because you suck at EVE in a completely different region to me. I truly don;t believe you can be dumb enough to truly believe that, so it's just a way for you to try to avoid having to actually counter the argument.

If our killboard says to everyone that we are elite at killing alot of war targets and inflicting alot of damage in isk to them, then how is that false?

In that case our killboard with API vertified kills must be false to, riiiiiiight?

Maybe you should educate EVE-Dev and CCP how to make API vertified kills and how to make killboards to while you are at it?

I'm sure you know this better than them to.

Ahh, it's false because the loverboy you want to marry with is having some better stats. Doesn't mean we aren't elite just because another one that is elite is better at being elite over us. We are elite, but he's better at being elite, because he plays way more than any of us in Marmite.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Bullshit. Look at your own killboard and you will see there is nowhere close to a balance of targets. You scream and run any time there's not a 99% chance of you winning the fight, because you are terrible at PvP.

Awwww, your tears are delicious. Maybe you should go to our killboard and do an explanation on why we aren't killing everything that our war targets use instead of crying over it?

But hey, that's effort. You would have to explain why i'm wrong and you have to use some time to give us the proofs. That's to much. Your ego is more important than explaining the reasons with our killboard as evidence on why you are right.

Either you gives us evidences and explains us why we aren't killing everything our war targets use, or you can just simply go somewhere else and share your tears with, crybaby.

Lucas Kell wrote:
I eagerly await your next tear filled ragepost. Each one makes your alliance look that much more like a bunch of crying chestbeating whiners, pretty much like Rebirth was before it died on it's ass multiple times. lel

And i eagerly await your next tear filled ragepost. You are a carebear with absolutely no experience in what PVP is. Do you have a history of doing PVP where you can at least give us some evidence that you have done PVP before and knows what that is?

I hardly doubt it. You say you have done PVP just to use it as an excuse to sounds like you are any relevant. I do PVP all the time when i'm logging on. My killboard shows it and i have good enough evidence that i actually do PVP and knows what that is.

You on the other hand doesn't have that. So please go kill some rats and tell everybody how awesome you are because of it. It's there where you belong.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama