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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#861 - 2014-07-19 01:09:54 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

Its the same situation, not every drone user or tech moon owner was abusing it but, the change affected all of them. Perhaps you should organize all of the npc corporation members and attempt to clean up the npc corporation image.


I try both by example and by answering questions in the University of Caille.

I do not have a problem with a target of "troll" but with how it is targeted. It is like taking out a whole town to the trolls in town. That is why I suggested a more defined target. Example of time and skill point level to remove the alts that never log into Eve. It would also affect new people till they got the time and skill points under their belt.

Side note: I think the comparison with this idea to totalitian regimes is due to perceived reputation of GoonWaffle. Goons play the meta game better than anyone else. So people wonder if this is targeted at trools or at hi-sec.




couldn't a person that plex's just make 51 day accounts to meet the requirements and every new plex needed for the main just make another 51 day account? or this just considered to much work for the ability to post anonymously and wouldn't matter in the scheme of things.


That sounds like an exploit the GM team would close like they did the self refer thing.

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Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#862 - 2014-07-19 15:30:32 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
When something is being abused CCP takes measures against it and NPC alts are no exception.


But your target is every NPC, not just NPC alts.
And that I think that is getting many of the people against the idea.


Its the same situation, not every drone user or tech moon owner was abusing it but, the change affected all of them. Perhaps you should organize all of the npc corporation members and attempt to clean up the npc corporation image.


More like this change will only affect the drone users in a certain area of Eve. Since your target population is not all of eve but only a subset of the population of Eve.

"Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you."
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#863 - 2014-07-20 14:10:40 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:

More like this change will only affect the drone users in a certain area of Eve. Since your target population is not all of eve but only a subset of the population of Eve.


Okay and are drone users not a subset of the population of EVE?

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Dhaq
Doomheim
#864 - 2014-07-20 14:39:24 UTC
Perhaps the forums should just be switched over to a Plex-To-Post type of system. Paying for your actual account gives you access to the game, but no one ever said that the forums are a "right". If you think about it, the forum is just a different type of game to a number of people here. Some that almost exclusively pay their subscription just to be apart of the forum meta.

Requiring that users pay to use this service would filter out most all of the users you are trying to ban. PLUS it would provide extra income for CCP who could then hire more moderators to make sure that the forums are even more organized than they are now.

Reading over the forums the past couple of days I have so many bad ideas and topics even from so-called "legitimate" corps. I just don't think the ideas in this thread go far enough to combat the situation we are in.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#865 - 2014-07-20 14:47:23 UTC
Dhaq wrote:
Perhaps the forums should just be switched over to a Plex-To-Post type of system. Paying for your actual account gives you access to the game, but no one ever said that the forums are a "right". If you think about it, the forum is just a different type of game to a number of people here. Some that almost exclusively pay their subscription just to be apart of the forum meta.

Requiring that users pay to use this service would filter out most all of the users you are trying to ban. PLUS it would provide extra income for CCP who could then hire more moderators to make sure that the forums are even more organized than they are now.

Reading over the forums the past couple of days I have so many bad ideas and topics even from so-called "legitimate" corps. I just don't think the ideas in this thread go far enough to combat the situation we are in.


Your concern troll is blatant and we already went over this earlier in the thread an isk/$$$ cost to posting would be a bad thing.

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Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#866 - 2014-07-20 15:54:19 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Elfi Wolfe wrote:

More like this change will only affect the drone users in a certain area of Eve. Since your target population is not all of eve but only a subset of the population of Eve.


Okay and are drone users not a subset of the population of EVE?


If using the drones.
Your suggested change is that all drone users in Gallente Empire get affected by the drones changes and everyone are not affected.

Your forums changes do not affect everyone in eve. Only the people in NPC Corps. So a troll just has to move out of the NPC Corps and they are unaffected by your suggestion.

"Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you."
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#867 - 2014-07-20 16:34:43 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
So a troll just has to move out of the NPC Corps and they are unaffected by your suggestion.


Welcome to many pages ago. NPC posting restrictions are not being offered as the perfect answer to terrible forum posting, but rather as part of a larger solution.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#868 - 2014-07-20 18:40:39 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
So a troll just has to move out of the NPC Corps and they are unaffected by your suggestion.


Welcome to many pages ago. NPC posting restrictions are not being offered as the perfect answer to terrible forum posting, but rather as part of a larger solution.


It does not seem to be an answer since the target population will move to avoid it. Leaving the people who are not the target population affected by it.

"Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you."
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#869 - 2014-07-20 19:18:11 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Elfi Wolfe wrote:

More like this change will only affect the drone users in a certain area of Eve. Since your target population is not all of eve but only a subset of the population of Eve.


Okay and are drone users not a subset of the population of EVE?


If using the drones.
Your suggested change is that all drone users in Gallente Empire get affected by the drones changes and everyone are not affected.

Your forums changes do not affect everyone in eve. Only the people in NPC Corps. So a troll just has to move out of the NPC Corps and they are unaffected by your suggestion.


You're not getting it here let me try from a different angle.

We have the entire population of eve-o of which a subset is npc corporation characters of that subset there are trolls and non-trolls. Then we have the entire population of Tranquility of which a subset is drone users of that subset there are drone assist abusers and non-abusers. Both changes, my suggestion and drone assist nerfs, affected the entire subset and are enacted/inspired by people abusing a mechanic to the point it warps the venue all of the things are taking place in.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#870 - 2014-07-20 19:21:17 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
So a troll just has to move out of the NPC Corps and they are unaffected by your suggestion.


Welcome to many pages ago. NPC posting restrictions are not being offered as the perfect answer to terrible forum posting, but rather as part of a larger solution.


It does not seem to be an answer since the target population will move to avoid it. Leaving the people who are not the target population affected by it.


That's part of the point of the suggestion, its not a silver bullet because that does not exist and would be similar to a 'Jesus feature' it must work in concert with other changes to solve the problem. However that does not mean its pointless and should not be instituted.

Another point that is spelled out in the OP is that it isn't intended to be a herculean effort to be able to post. A corporation with 10+ members isn't a small feat yet it is not a massive feat either and it successfully removes a portion of the npc alt trolls.

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Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#871 - 2014-07-20 23:24:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Maldiro Selkurk
La Nariz wrote:

Another point that is spelled out in the OP is that it isn't intended to be a herculean effort to be able to post. A corporation with 10+ members isn't a small feat yet it is not a massive feat either and it successfully removes a portion of the npc alt trolls.


As well as everyone that would like to play solo such as myself. I realize that as a member of one of the huge alliances our solo play style makes your skin crawl but it is ours to choose and should be protected from what would be just another power grab by your alliance and its ilk.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#872 - 2014-07-20 23:42:47 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
So a troll just has to move out of the NPC Corps and they are unaffected by your suggestion.


Welcome to many pages ago. NPC posting restrictions are not being offered as the perfect answer to terrible forum posting, but rather as part of a larger solution.


It does not seem to be an answer since the target population will move to avoid it. Leaving the people who are not the target population affected by it.


Are you willfully trying to take the conversation round in circles or did you simply not read the thread before posting? Those that were to make the effort to post under the proposed restrictions would be at a slightly increased risk of retribution for shiptoasting and those that didn't make the effort would be unable to poop on most of the forum. Both are improvements over the current state of affairs.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#873 - 2014-07-20 23:52:27 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

Another point that is spelled out in the OP is that it isn't intended to be a herculean effort to be able to post. A corporation with 10+ members isn't a small feat yet it is not a massive feat either and it successfully removes a portion of the npc alt trolls.


As well as everyone that would like to play solo such as myself. I realize that as a member of one of the huge alliances our solo play style makes your skin crawl but it is ours to choose and should be protected from what would be just another power grab by your alliance and its ilk.


No I can sympathize with your choice in play style as an awoxer I often work solo. Membership in an organization does not define play style. There's no reason why you have to give up the solo play style if you leave an NPC corporation.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#874 - 2014-07-21 00:04:02 UTC
admiral root wrote:


Are you willfully trying to take the conversation round in circles or did you simply not read the thread before posting? Those that were to make the effort to post under the proposed restrictions would be at a slightly increased risk of retribution for shiptoasting and those that didn't make the effort would be unable to poop on most of the forum. Both are improvements over the current state of affairs.

Please explain to me how a player who never undocks is ever at risk of retribution.
NPC Corp or Player Corp.

And please explain to me how a player who does undock is immune to retribution even if they are in an NPC corp.

There is no change which can be made to forum rules that will ever affect if a player is immune to retribution.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#875 - 2014-07-21 00:10:49 UTC
La Nariz wrote:

Its the same situation, not every drone user or tech moon owner was abusing it but, the change affected all of them. Perhaps you should organize all of the npc corporation members and attempt to clean up the npc corporation image.


Drone assist was being abused so everyone playing the game is prohibited from doing it. This is not a subset of EVE's population, people with brown hair, yep applies to them, people in huge alliances, yep applies to them, people with creepy whiteout eyes, yep applies to them.

Your idea does not apply to the entire EVE playing population but rather only a subset that belongs to NPC corps.

You are equating two non-equal concepts and coming to the conclusion that apples are oranges.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#876 - 2014-07-21 00:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: admiral root
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Stuff.


There are bad posters who undock, you know.

Edit: case in point - you're on zkillboard more than once.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#877 - 2014-07-21 00:18:19 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

Its the same situation, not every drone user or tech moon owner was abusing it but, the change affected all of them. Perhaps you should organize all of the npc corporation members and attempt to clean up the npc corporation image.


Drone assist was being abused so everyone playing the game is prohibited from doing it. This is not a subset of EVE's population, people with brown hair, yep applies to them, people in huge alliances, yep applies to them, people with creepy whiteout eyes, yep applies to them.

Your idea does not apply to the entire EVE playing population but rather only a subset that belongs to NPC corps.

You are equating two non-equal concepts and coming to the conclusion that apples are oranges.


Uh, nope.

Everyone in EVE, even those people with mains in player corps, would be forbidden by this from using NPC alts to post with. That is because everyone in EVE has access to the ability to create an NPC alt, we all have three character slots.

Drone assist was nerfed even for people like me, who did not use it. It did not effect me, it effected a subset of EVE's population. But it was the right thing to do anyway, because the people who did use it, abused it beyond measure for their size of the population.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#878 - 2014-07-21 00:21:10 UTC
admiral root wrote:


There are bad posters who undock, you know.

Edit: case in point - you're on zkillboard more than once.

And those people are at risk regardless of what corp they are in, which was my point. It doesn't matter what corp someone is in.
If they undock they are at risk. If they don't undock they aren't at risk.

The Undocking is what provides the risk, not the corp they are in.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#879 - 2014-07-21 00:54:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Maldiro Selkurk
La Nariz wrote:
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

Another point that is spelled out in the OP is that it isn't intended to be a herculean effort to be able to post. A corporation with 10+ members isn't a small feat yet it is not a massive feat either and it successfully removes a portion of the npc alt trolls.


As well as everyone that would like to play solo such as myself. I realize that as a member of one of the huge alliances our solo play style makes your skin crawl but it is ours to choose and should be protected from what would be just another power grab by your alliance and its ilk.


No I can sympathize with your choice in play style as an awoxer I often work solo. Membership in an organization does not define play style. There's no reason why you have to give up the solo play style if you leave an NPC corporation.


1. I should have said but didnt that I meant NPC solo game play (yes i belong to a solo corp but i was an NPC poster for months before making my 1 man corp and your idea would have kept me from posting where i chose to post all that time).

2. Since guilty be association and punishment without cause is something you so strongly believe in, I shall now utilize those same concepts myself:

From now, on since i have personally seen a significant number of troll posts from your alliance, your entire alliance is now and; forevermore, prohibited from posting on the forums.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#880 - 2014-07-21 01:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Maldiro Selkurk
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Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.