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Elmonky

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 100

#1 - 2014-07-18 16:17:17 UTC

So. I'm going to hold my hands up here and say that, I don't PvP. Not because I'm a hairy carebear, but because I either miss the opportunity, or I shy away (which i guess is a form of PvP...just a boring one).

I have invested time and isk into the spaceship equivalent of the unholy union of the Predator and the Ant Queen.

It's shiny, and awesome, and changes shape when I attach different subsystems. Other than my total mastery of the dual repping Myrmidon, I am apparently an utter noob at fitting a Strat Cruiser.

The problem I think I have is that I'm trying to get the hull to do everything all at once.

My current tanky fit is:

Lows:
1600mm Plates
1600mm Plates (steel I think)
EANM II
EANM II
Mag II
Mag II
DCII

Mids:
10NM AB II
Warp Scram II
Warp Dis II

Highs:
Heavy Ion II
Heavy Ion II
Heavy Ion II
Heavy Ion II (Loaded with Null M)
Covert Ops Cloak
Scanner

Covert Config
Adapted Plates (10% Armour)
Powergrid Sub
15% less MWD/AB Cap drain Sub
I forget

2x Med Trimark
1 x Moar DPS Hybrid Rig

Its got 75k EHP resists with DCII active are 77/88/93/65 and dps is around 230. I have Medium Blaster Spec IV. So I try to compensate by adding an active explo tank mod takes my explo resists to 75 and my ehp to just over 120k, but drops my dps to sub 200.

Am I being a try hard? I would love a long rails PvE boat, but something tells me to stick with my myrm and leave my prot for brawling. Anyone care to throw me a bone please?

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Andrew Jester Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion Likes received: 1,706	#2 - 2014-07-18 16:21:32 UTC 1 >I don't PvP.. because I shy away >Not a hairy carebear lel use self-rep rail prot If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Lloyd Roses

Artificial Memories

Likes received: 1,356

#3 - 2014-07-18 16:26:01 UTC

Should rather try to get just as much tank so your prot doesn't go pop - which usually translates to a single armor repairer and one/two hardeners, and the rest is filled with tracking computers, enhancers, magstabs and potentially even more magstabs. And rails.

The covops sub is only necessary if your task requires cloaked warping, which it really doesn't. So changing that for the tracking bonused subsystem and getting those skills up to V should lift your pve-dps to something about 750 at ~25km. If you're wary of frigates, you can combine AB/web to shoot them at close range with rails.

So whatever you do, you'll
- need subs at IV or better V
- one of the dps-subs (i.E. not the dronesub or cloaky sub)
- sufficient tank to not die to sleepers
- with rails, AB+Web - with blasters, AB or MWD
- lots of magstabs (like 3 or 4), rest tracking

- sufficient cap to not cap out before they are dead (dunno how that works with proteus in c3, I'm using sentries for c3s and lasers for c1/c2)

Hope that helps!

Viscis Breeze

The Northerners

Pandemic Horde

Likes received: 84

#4 - 2014-07-18 16:30:33 UTC | Edited by: Viscis Breeze

You can do it way better than this but:

[Proteus, PvE]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Stasis Webifier II

250mm Railgun II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge M

Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Proteus Offensive - Dissonic Encoding Platform
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

515 Dps @ 41km
543 Omni tank
Cap @ 55%
605 m/s

Edit: Ignore the dread ammo I put in by mistake (updated stats to reflect caldari navy)

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Elmonky

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 100

#5 - 2014-07-18 16:32:02 UTC

Appreciate it. I must admit when it came to buying subsystems I came close to buying all of them.

All of my subsystems and Strat Cruiser are at IV. and medium rails and blasters spec are at IV as well. Will play around with the subsytem you suggested and see what happens.. oh and buy an extra Ion blaster apparently.

Jester.. do you happen to have that fit as cursory google search of ''self-rep rail prot '' is a lot of sites about rail roads.

Elmonky

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 100

#6 - 2014-07-18 16:32:50 UTC

Viscis Breeze wrote:

This looks doable. Thanks for the fit suggestion!


Andrew Jester Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion Likes received: 1,706	#7 - 2014-07-18 16:35:24 UTC 1 Elmonky wrote: Jester.. do you happen to have that fit as cursory google search of ''self-rep rail prot '' is a lot of sites about rail roads. There are plenty linked in this thread friend) Just wanted to help set you on the right track If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Rroff

Antagonistic Tendencies

Likes received: 1,155

#8 - 2014-07-19 01:44:03 UTC | Edited by: Rroff

Viscis Breeze wrote:

Edit: Ignore the dread ammo I put in by mistake (updated stats to reflect caldari navy)

Damage range is wrong 41km is optimal + falloff and closer to 200dps than 500+ at that range.

With these kind of T3 fits fitting requirements allowing its worth looking at cap batteries over cap rechargers as often it gives you the same or slightly more cap regen than the first CR but with the addition of a larger cap reservoir, plus the neut resistance might be useful sometimes.

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Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable Likes received: 425	#9 - 2014-07-19 03:03:13 UTC Everything is a 'thing'. Not all things are good things though. Public Channel \| Un.Welcome

Judas Lonestar

Stryker Industries

Stryker Group

Likes received: 129

#10 - 2014-07-19 04:16:53 UTC

I'm told this works. Frankly I dont have the stones to try it, I think its going to get capped right out and die horribly. I'll stick with my Tengu

[Proteus, Proteus - C3]

Damage Control II
Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Capacitor Battery II
Medium Capacitor Booster II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge M
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Core Probe Launcher I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II

Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer

Berserker II x4
Garde II x4

657 DPS - 497 drone, 160 gun
Tank - 413/s

Not even remotely cap stable with both reps running

Elmonky

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 100

#11 - 2014-07-19 09:03:32 UTC

Judas Lonestar wrote:

This looks very similar to my myrm fitting. Minus the shiny mods

Doggy Dogwoofwoof

New Eden Corporation 98713347

Brotherhood of Spacers

Likes received: 39

#12 - 2014-07-20 01:43:09 UTC

Judas Lonestar wrote:

Either we saw the same Blog, or you saw me post the fit on reddit Big smile

Saddly still havent got around to testing it, Moved into a higher wormhole. One day i will try this though.

Borsek

KarmaFleet

Goonswarm Federation

Likes received: 394

#13 - 2014-07-22 10:17:08 UTC

You COULD commit blasphemy and use a drone proteus for pve, but imho you're better off using an ishtar or domi. If you want to pve in a T3, go legion for armor, tengu for shield, or a shield loki for low class crappy pve (used one in 2011 or so, sucked due to ac range and tracking limitations) or an armor loki for escalations. In short, the mighty proteus is a pvp powerhouse, and has limited use in wormhole pve content. I'm sure you can rat with it in null and/or do lvl 4 missions.

Phoenix Jones

Small-Arms Fire

Likes received: 1,637

#14 - 2014-07-22 14:00:32 UTC

The proteus is a great PVP ship, but there are both cheaper, faster, more efficient and effective ships even in the gallente arsenal that can do PVE better than the proteus.

You can fit a Rail Deimos (heck the armor repair bonus helps you).
Ishtar
Myrmidon and Brutix (as they can have a sustained tank and fit a rail setup "technically the Myrmidon can fit a sentry setup even if its just 4 of them).

Heck the Vexor Navy can fit a Sentry setup for all of 100 mil.

The only benefit you gain from having a PVE proteus is the "option" of a cloak. Which would involve dropping a depot, switching subsystems, putting the cloak on, then cloaking. You can do the same with all of the above with prototype or t2 cloaks. If your that hardup and want a cloaking Cruiser, look at the Stratios as an option (fit lasers). Its mostly a issue of price and engagement profile. Your doing PVE, you are probably not going to fit point blank blasters as you'll have to get in within 10km to destroy stuff, and railguns you'll be running away alot to get range.

The price vs engagement profile of the Proteus does not make it worth the price of setting it up as a PVE option, as you have plenty of options above. You "CAN" if you want to, but you'll be doing it more out of pure enjoyment then. It is a harder option, but it is an option. Most won't use the proteus for PVE when they have cheaper options that performs as well.

Railgun proteus, keep range, pop stuff. Blaster Proteus, spend a few hours microwarp driving to things to pop it.

Yaay!!!!


Andrew Jester Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion Likes received: 1,706	#15 - 2014-07-22 14:16:13 UTC 1 Passive shield VNIs are pretty crazy for C2s. I've heard HACs work for them as well. Ishtars work pretty well for C3s If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

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Ab'del Abu Atlantis Ascendant Likes received: 342	#16 - 2014-07-22 14:32:50 UTC 1 If you want to use Rails: 1200 dps on an astarte (eft) for <500m. Should be able to run any c1+c2 site, never tried though. If you want to run c3 sites you'd probably need some more tank.

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Wingzero Mileghere The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 6	#17 - 2014-08-04 15:57:57 UTC Proteus + PVE = waste of isk and loss of ship I have done it and it just doesn't work if you're looking for a PVE T3 then use a Loki or a tengu A proteus is a PVP boat only trust me I lost close to 2 bill trying it


Andrew Jester Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion Likes received: 1,706	#18 - 2014-08-04 16:20:38 UTC Ab'del Abu wrote: If you want to use Rails: 1200 dps on an astarte (eft) for <500m. Should be able to run any c1+c2 site, never tried though. If you want to run c3 sites you'd probably need some more tank. You could probably use a Deimos for C1/2 as well. Less isk and less skill barrier If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy


Hatshepsut IV Un.Reasonable Likes received: 425	#19 - 2014-08-04 16:22:45 UTC Andrew Jester wrote: Ab'del Abu wrote: If you want to use Rails: 1200 dps on an astarte (eft) for <500m. Should be able to run any c1+c2 site, never tried though. If you want to run c3 sites you'd probably need some more tank. You could probably use a Deimos for C1/2 as well. Less isk and less skill barrier Truth. Public Channel \| Un.Welcome

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Jack Miton School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 5,031	#20 - 2014-08-04 23:21:33 UTC 1 there's very, very little incentive to use a proteus for WH pve. it can do it but it isnt well suited for it and other ships do the job far better. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout

Wormholes

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Collapsed Out

Pandemic Legion

Artificial Memories

The Northerners

Pandemic Horde

Antagonistic Tendencies

Un.Reasonable

Stryker Industries

Stryker Group

New Eden Corporation 98713347

Brotherhood of Spacers

KarmaFleet

Goonswarm Federation

Small-Arms Fire

Atlantis Ascendant

The Scope

Gallente Federation

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State