Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CAOD was considered worse. And yes, there have been changes in the way this forum as a whole is moderated in general: In the past three years ISD's CCL division rose to power....


That said, I have also removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

No matter how you shift, slice, reposition, alter or otherwise change this idea the basic concept is flawed and therefore not worthy of implementation. It is flawed because at its core it presupposes that a certain classification of pilot should automatically be punished as a forum troll quite possibly even before making their first forum post.

I have diligently read and posted to the EVE forums for the entire 1.5 years i have played the game and a certain person belonging to one of the most notorious large scale alliances in EVE spends almost all of his time trolling threads. Should we then place posting restrictions on this entire alliance because one of its members is a troll-aholic?

What If 50 members of this alliance are trolls, do we then start banning the entire alliance from posting, I say and I hope you agree it is both unfair and detrimental to those members of this alliance that would post thoughtful and productive threads or responses to threads in any forum of their choosing, regardless that a subset of their number are trolls.

This would be my objection, too.

The answer is get a second account. A few tricks of the trade, you can easily train three ganking alts up in a week then train one of them extensively for awoxing until it gets to hot or too much SP then you sell it via character bazaar. Sure you'll have downtime when buyers are not about and plex prices are high enough to consider paying cash for a sub but, that's the best solution to your concern.

Anyone can make a player corp character and start trolling with no consequence also. Lets remove the forums!

This discussion is pointless.

Every restriction will impact the innocent the most and no countermeassure will keep a troll that wants to troll away from pursuing his dream. All you get is the illusion of security.
It is the same all over, like in RL, people chucking out their liberties for the illusion of control and security, but none that is absolutely determined to inflict damaged will ever be truely hindered or deterred. In the meanwhile all bystanders or rather everyone else are labeled potential criminals and treated as such. Their abilities restricted to defend themselves from the true criminals, which are the foreign threads, as well as domestic which might includie your security 'services' in the furture. Good luck forging your own chains ... I will have none.

The only true solution is to educate and raise the level of intelligence and awareness to recognize and ignore trolls and not fall into the same spammed traps of logical fallacies and idiocy. And allowing the ISD to hit with the Anti-Stupidity Hammer - REAL HARD.

As it stands, being a dumb poster is not against the rules, but those reacting to it, as often required to, are in danger of committing at least one offense in regards to them. To change that there should be a rule that states:

#35 - Do not be stupid, commit no fallacies and consider many perspectives and exploits befor posting. Also do not incite others (see#5) to react offensively by formulating in a way that shows ignorance towards the game, styles of playing, the workings of and independent economy in an open sandbox and other peoples considerations and previously metioned ideas (see #16). Remember you are making the claim, the proof to support your observation/conclusion is on you. And consider, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - link sources if possible. Stupid threads will be locked.
So remember

ISD may rise and shine. You can always appeal to a locked thread by participating in an IQ test, but the test is one time only and final. Deliberatly posting dumb will result in immediate .....

I try both by example and by answering questions in the University of Caille.

I do not have a problem with a target of "troll" but with how it is targeted. It is like taking out a whole town to the trolls in town. That is why I suggested a more defined target. Example of time and skill point level to remove the alts that never log into Eve. It would also affect new people till they got the time and skill points under their belt.

Side note: I think the comparison with this idea to totalitian regimes is due to perceived reputation of GoonWaffle. Goons play the meta game better than anyone else. So people wonder if this is targeted at trools or at hi-sec.

From what I understand the reason to target NPC corps is to stop the alts that are made but never used in eve. So they have no skill points, and are used to only posted on the forums. So by changing to a skill point, then the owner of that account is not using free alts to post on the forums but alts that plex have been spent on. So not free tossable forum alts, but alts that have taken morethan one pled worth of training time.

Nothing will stopped a determined troll. But with a higher entry cost, it will take time/plex/effort. One side wants a blanket van of NPC, one side wants a more specific targeting of "troll" and one side wants no forum ban.

Me, I do not want to be banned from most of the forums.

Do you have shares in CCP because the only good this would do is make CCP richer. Forum trolling while annoying is tolerable while what you propose is going to make posting a huge ISK sink for people playing the devious parts of this game.

Your support for your ideas is in an epic downward spiral, time to jettison and pull the parachute.

People in morally ambiguous professions have always had their lives made harder and there are plenty of examples of this; see: mining barge EHP buff, freighter changes. It's worthy of a thread of its own because I see no reason why the pve centric play style should be constantly catered to but the bad guy play style gets constantly made more difficult. I'm not going to go any further on this part and if you want a conversation about it start a thread.

1. I can tell you haven't read much of the thread by this point, there's a good case for the forums being an in-game resource. Without rehashing the entire thing the biggest point for this is that you must have an active EVE subscription to post here.

2. Yep anyone can make the corporation but, then they need 10 other people in it before they can post. Its a barrier that, has been judged by CCP, to be effective yet not too restrictive.

3. I have no idea what you're trying to get at here, ignore by account?