EVE General Discussion

The game is pretty boring, and in my opinion that is what drives away new players. PvP can be thrilling, but trying to fight a maxed out character, or someone in a t2 when I am in a t1, or just trying to enjoy multiple aspects of the game and yet having to train to enjoy just one aspect while it takes weeks. I mean all that crap is what is annoying about EVE.

I've been here for 2 months. I've mined, joined a few corporations, did the faction warfare thing, actually got a couple solo kills, participated in a little here and there. Frankly I don't see the appeal. Even the Dev's admit this game is boring, and yet it maintains an appeal to people. But hey that's okay, because you know what I don't like CSI, NCIS, or other shows like that - hell, i'd never even watch dance with the stars if you paid me - but people like that kind of entertainment. Perhaps for me this is just the wrong show for me.

I would argue though that the dev's definitely haven't created enough tools to make the sandbox as versatile as it could be. Right now a lot of the game still feels very much themepark as much as others might hate to admit it. You can't really have a full blown sandbox game though anyway, it's literally impossible as a dev always has to set rules that need to be followed when using their software.

To me there are two types of game.

Character progression PvE and Player skill based PvP.

EVE is a game where Character skills/equipment/numbers matters more than player skill, so PvP in it is terrible; except for the large groups of old accounts, who fear/hate changes to 'their' game.

Stuff a new player in a 100 million skillpoint clone and have it fly a multiple billion isk pvp ship with all the best mods and he will die every time. Player skill always beats SP and fat wallets.

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Hey goonies, rookie experience is at the moment dependent on the community, everything is there for them to progress IF they look for it....

That´s why i got into eve, no hand holding, explore everything, read every info sheet, not being treated like a moron.

Now OK i´m not a young American (probably older than your dad) and i liked the complexity and exercising critical thought and generally using the grey matter to survive and progress, but having a gated community for rookies would be pointless and counter to eve (and probably the goon playing ethic which in your early days i admired). The only thing that would be different is no interaction with ppl over 30 days old and concentrate rookies in a ghetto, the chat they currently would be exactly the same, they would never see a decent ship to go "want that, how do i get it" and the shock of eve would be far greater no matter what the rookie experience was like.

Within corp griefing maybe an issue due to social misfits or psychotics at present and could be done away with so only the duel mechanic could be used so that is an easy fix with the current set of mechanics.

The Meta game in eve could be considered out of control, but that´s an attraction as much as a turn off, as could multiple accounts reducing interaction, but that´s a symptom of the lack of trust/paranoia or one man run industrial corps with 30 members paid for purely by plex.

The danger element is better than boredom, learning through screw up is an excellent way to learn, but whats at the heart of every thing mittens is saying is eve players can be douches because they have the freedom to be and that are as they have no self control or awareness that the interactions they have influence whether someone will stay or go and they don´t care as the cannot see the big picture. Being selfish doesn´t produce a stable or growing community it just makes masters and slaves and lots of pissed on people who will just say sod this i´m off the where people are more civil as they don´t have to grin and bear it like real life.



Edit/addition: i did notice a comment about replacement costs and i think that´s down to people not getting eve is a long term game and trying to progress to fast up the ship ladder, they still are in the grind mindset. i bio-massed when i thought it through and restarted me. Another one was being unaware of aggression rules/safe system at start and i think that the first mission should cover that so informed from the start.

Bull ****, obviously.

Came here expecting to find the usual suspects telling the Mittani his article was worded incorrectly, everything is fine, or to HTFU.

Was not disappointed.

Wow.

And even further like the US government thay lack sound decision making maturity.

Amusingly, Griffin is Greif in german, Greifer is someone that tames Griffins? I don't know, hangover ramblings obviously

Ah, but it's not a German name, I see your point though, fairly apt,
*waves to the other hungover dude* o/