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Orca Nomad Pilot - What To Train After the Obvious?
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Kaylee-belle
Sola Industries
#1 - 2014-07-18 17:38:53 UTC
I'm working as a solo-person nomad in C2s, dipping into Lowsec for DEDs and what not, and I work three accounts. Not interested in debating the wisdom of my choice to live as a solo-nomad in C2s. I'm way too anti-social to join a corp and be subject to the whims of others. I like the freedom to log in and do whatever I want whenever I want.

My three accounts are basically:

- Orca pilot
- Combat/Salvage/Miner
- Combat/Cov-ops scanner specialist

All of these pilots are in the 12mil skill point range, they can all scan and cloak, while my third pilot has a lot of training put into scanning skills. I usually keep my Orca cloaked at a safe and only pop it out of cloak to change out ships and deposit loot with my main pilots.

I'm wondering what to train my orca pilot into now. I've got the Orca obviously, all my fitting skills at 5, and I've got all the combat-related leadership skills trained to 4. What else might I train that pilot into now that would benefit my setup? I mean, I could invest a month training the four leadership skills (Seige/Armor/Information/Skirmish) to 5, but since I keep my whale cloaked for safety while I run sites, there doesn't seem any point to invest in the warfare link specialties. Is there really anything left to train that benefits my nomad life with this pilot?
Elmonky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-07-18 17:56:13 UTC
What makes you say that the Warfare specialisms are not worth it? Off Grid boosting could be the edge needed to survive an encounter.

After the Orca is the Rorq... and then the super massive freighter.
Kaylee-belle
Sola Industries
#3 - 2014-07-18 18:05:27 UTC
Um ... I've only been playing EVE for a matter of months ... so I'll just err on the side of caution and assume there's something I'm not understanding about your reply.

Am I right to say that warfare links are only useful if you're not cloaked, since they have to be activated for anyone to receive the benefit? I get that my Orca can fit warfare links, but if I'm never not cloaked, I don't see how that benefits me.

As for Rorqs and freighters ... I'm not sure how those would benefit me either as a wormhole nomad.
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-07-18 18:35:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Altirius Saldiaro
Nav skills.
Any skills that increase your ehp and resists.
Skills that increase your sensor strength.
Drone skills since orca does have drones.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2014-07-18 18:37:06 UTC
He's either ******** or illiterate.

If it's just sitting in an Orca cloaked, there's not much else to train it into. You could get your combat leaderskills to V for the extra bit of boost, but don't get specs if you're not running links. Personally, I'd suggest putting a small tower in your Orca with a bit of fuel and stront, setting it up in whatever system you'll be in (anchor time is almost negligible), parking your Orca in there and then sitting just outside of the shields with either a boosting T3 or a command ship.

Should you have the long-term goal of nomading C5s, you could start heading the Orca pilot towards a carrier, the scan specialized one towards a Loki, and the other combat towards a dread.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Kaylee-belle
Sola Industries
#6 - 2014-07-18 18:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaylee-belle
Andrew Jester wrote:
Should you have the long-term goal of nomading C5s, you could start heading the Orca pilot towards a carrier, the scan specialized one towards a Loki, and the other combat towards a dread.


Wow. That's long-term thinking I'd not even considered. Thanks for the input. Promotional videos of the Nyx are basically what got me interested in this game, and while I know you can't use those in wormholes (right?), a non-super carrier still sounds like a super cool long term goal to me. Just one question on that though, which is why a Loki? Is that the scanniest T3 or something? I'm still a good 6 weeks away from training into T3s, so those are a general question mark to me.

As to your suggestion about a POS ... my understanding was that anything less than a Large Tower is just asking to get poked by bored PvPers. Or are you suggesting that I make the Small Tower part of my nomad operation and just pull it up every time I log out or finish clearing out a C2?
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-07-18 19:20:36 UTC
Loki for webbing sleepers. Your dread won't be able to track them otherwise.

You only need a large tower if you store stuff in it. (hangar arrays, etc.) I doubt anyone would siege an empty tower for the lulz. (and even if it happens just keep your orca logged out - worst case you loose a small tower and a bit of fuel)
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2014-07-18 19:31:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Jester
Kaylee-belle wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Should you have the long-term goal of nomading C5s, you could start heading the Orca pilot towards a carrier, the scan specialized one towards a Loki, and the other combat towards a dread.


Wow. That's long-term thinking I'd not even considered. Thanks for the input. Promotional videos of the Nyx are basically what got me interested in this game, and while I know you can't use those in wormholes (right?), a non-super carrier still sounds like a super cool long term goal to me. Just one question on that though, which is why a Loki? Is that the scanniest T3 or something? I'm still a good 6 weeks away from training into T3s, so those are a general question mark to me.

As to your suggestion about a POS ... my understanding was that anything less than a Large Tower is just asking to get poked by bored PvPers. Or are you suggesting that I make the Small Tower part of my nomad operation and just pull it up every time I log out or finish clearing out a C2?


Make the tower part of your nomad operation. You pull it when you're ready to move onto the next WH. Keeps your Orca safer and gives you a place to easily swap ships and to hangout should hostiles enter system. You are correct, supers cannot be used in WHs. But you could get a Thanny (not really recommended though because the tank is sorta weak), which looks like a Nyx.

No one will siege an empty small tower. As long as you bring some stront along, even if they siege it, you'll still have a forcefield to sit in and will be able to leave/log out. Since it's a small, losing one or two will be a pretty negligible cost.

As person above me said, yup, Loki is for webbing sleepers. Loki is also a pretty good boosting ship (shield, armour, skirmish).


LOOK AT ME BEING ALL USEFUL AND **** #FUCKTHEHATERS

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Kynric
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#9 - 2014-07-18 19:32:04 UTC
A small tower with no internal structures isn't worth shooting unless you plant it somewhere that someone else feels like they own. With full stront it requires two sessions of shooting separated by 1 day 17 hours to remove it. That is a lot of time to spend on an empty shell. And if they do you haven't lost much. Keep in mind if you upset someone by smack talking, avoiding fights, leave an expensive floating ship or add structures which others might imagine to be filled with gold the situation changes. It would allow you a safe place to float the orca while it's pilot is flying something else. Whether that is worth the cost, hassle and attention that planting a tower gives is something you will have to decide. The idea of living out of a single orca is both simple and complex in interesting ways. Props to you for trying it.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2014-07-18 19:35:28 UTC
Does anyone know if stront can fit into the ore bay of an Orca? If not, you probably won't be carrying enough for a full RF timer since you'll be carrying fuel as well. If you're capable and not using the Orca's SMB for anything, you could fill a DST with stront/fuel and stick it in there for some extra space.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#11 - 2014-07-18 19:44:18 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
LOOK AT ME BEING ALL USEFUL AND **** #FUCKTHEHATERS

Wow, you changed *****.

What in the hell is this? You got laid or something?

Move to lowsec and you just turn to ****. I can't take this anymore, breaking my ******* heart.

🍌

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"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-07-18 19:45:38 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
If you're capable and not using the Orca's SMB for anything, you could fill a DST with stront/fuel and stick it in there for some extra space.


You can't put ships in the SMB if they have stuff in their cargo. (except for ammo)
Rayzilla Zaraki
Yin Jian Enterprises
#13 - 2014-07-18 20:16:19 UTC
I have to agree, training for a Carrier is the next logical, albeit expensive, step for you.

Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2014-07-18 20:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Jester
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
If you're capable and not using the Orca's SMB for anything, you could fill a DST with stront/fuel and stick it in there for some extra space.


You can't put ships in the SMB if they have stuff in their cargo. (except for ammo)


You can put a DST in because it has little cargo space but has a fleet hangar. Do you even patch notes friend))?

Candi LeMew wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
LOOK AT ME BEING ALL USEFUL AND **** #FUCKTHEHATERS

Wow, you changed *****.

What in the hell is this? You got laid or something?

Move to lowsec and you just turn to ****. I can't take this anymore, breaking my ******* heart.



THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LEAVE ME ALONE. *** BAK 2 ME

Rayzilla Zaraki wrote:
I have to agree, training for a Carrier is the next logical, albeit expensive, step for you.


Carrier itself is pretty cheap, skills aren't that bad. Also he's doing nothing but farming it seems, so he'll probably have the isk in no time. Also, he's a ways off so has plenty of time to get funds up.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#15 - 2014-07-18 21:57:23 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
the scan specialized one towards a Loki


Scrubs use Lokis. Men use Tengus.
Kaylee-belle
Sola Industries
#16 - 2014-07-18 22:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaylee-belle
Andrew Jester wrote:
Carrier itself is pretty cheap, skills aren't that bad. Also he's doing nothing but farming it seems, so he'll probably have the isk in no time. Also, he's a ways off so has plenty of time to get funds up.


Yep - by the time I've got carrier trained, I'll have the ISK to buy a few ... a statement I'm sure has PvPers drooling Lol. Plus, I made the mistake of getting excited to fly a ship I BARELY had the skills to sit in back when I got my first Myrmidon ... I'm like 90 days of training just from sitting in a carrier, but I've got easily another 90 days worth of training before I feel like I'd want to sit in one. And as a long time MMO player (merely new to EVE), time is always on my side :).

And thanks, everyone, for the info on the Small Control Tower. Based on your suggestions I went ahead and read up on how exactly control towers work, the fuel, the Reinforced Mode, the strontium, and yeah, by the math, I could do that. It might be worth the cost for piece of mind alone, making things easier moving around and changing out ships, but it might even pay for itself with an increase in my efficiency. Barely 50m for a tower, and like 150m a month in fuel ... no sweat really.

Hell, all I have to do is score 1 Noctis worth of loot with my stealth bomber in a C5 to pay for that. After all, you can only blow up 20 Perimeter Hangers a day for so long before you need to stimulate and satisfy your instinct for predation.