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Player concerns of the Plot?

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Montey Haul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-07-18 16:01:52 UTC
There has been some previous good commentary regarding the changes to High sec activity. While I am not going to mention those threads here in anyway...I will say that I started them. I would very much like to continue that sort of venue with a distinction that is in a new thread and not the old ones.
I feel there is a concern within the EVE community regarding the recent changes proposed and the recent changes in the near past. While I enjoy the game very much, I feel the limiting of options in order to move the games dynamic into other areas causes the game to lose some of it's appeal. I look forward to a great set of fantastic community conversation here on that basis. Thank you all for the previous support on the topics at hand.
Winston Salem
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-07-18 16:25:57 UTC
Montey Haul wrote:
There has been some previous good commentary regarding the changes to High sec activity. While I am not going to mention those threads here in anyway...I will say that I started them. I would very much like to continue that sort of venue with a distinction that is in a new thread and not the old ones.
I feel there is a concern within the EVE community regarding the recent changes proposed and the recent changes in the near past. While I enjoy the game very much, I feel the limiting of options in order to move the games dynamic into other areas causes the game to lose some of it's appeal. I look forward to a great set of fantastic community conversation here on that basis. Thank you all for the previous support on the topics at hand.


It might help is you dropped the Tin Foil hat. No in is trying to make you move and it's a false perception that things have somehow gotten worse in high sec or mission running.

It's only high sec player who think that CCP is trying to manipulate them. When CCP recently buffed low sec rewards, you didn't see null sec and wormhole player screaming about ccp wanting them to move. Thinking CCP is doing something bad to High Sec is wrong and ignores the buffs, like how you can now get a certain 'pirate' factions ships from a high sec sources when you could not ever do that before.

Have you seen the npc kill stat for the constellations that contain Lanngisi, Apanake and Osmon? Got to Dotlan maps and see for yourself. And the CONCORD LP store has nice stuff in it too, as well as the mindlinks and such from navy stores.

Mission running is a lot more lucratiive now than when i started playing, no noctises or marauders for salvaging, no tech2 salvagers, No tech2 tractor beams (and no ships at all with a tractor bonus) no salvage drones, no Pro Synergy to do it for you, no mobile tractor units, no marauder bastion mode, no micro jump drives to make sniping super easy and safe and Auto-targeting missiles (used to be called FoF) would hit structures making them useless in missions, now if you fly a missile ship you can use them when Guristas Jam you.

You don't know what you are talking about.
Montey Haul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-07-18 16:34:21 UTC
While I value your commentary...You are in my opinion very wrong indeed. I have a great many facets regarding my gameplay. While I will not endeavor to put you down more than to say, "It's hard to listen when you are stuck on transmit", If you like to hear yourself reply on a topic please go elsewhere or do it without injury to others.
There have been a great number of folks, not just in high sec that have experienced the recent market and section changes poorly. I am not trying to condemn anyone for what they may or may not use for their gameplay. What I hope to do here is get a better picture for myself and others as to the impact the changes are making before we lose more of this wonderful community that we are talking about.
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2014-07-18 16:46:17 UTC
Enjoy your ban

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Montey Haul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-07-18 16:52:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Montey Haul
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Enjoy your ban

I'm not seeing where your post is particularly useful to this thread, but thank you for your reading.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-07-18 18:04:19 UTC
Montey.

First off you do need to remove the tinfoil. Changes in salvage =/= some plot to move everyone to null. Or you at least certainly have failed to show any causal link to that effect.

As an example, I have an alt that does jump freighter contracts for push. Given the kinda of hauls I make out of low and NPC 0.0 it would indicate a fair number of people who are running missions in that space, or at least looting/salvaging NPC wrecks from anoms and such. The upcoming changes will affect them as well, not just high sec players.

Otherwise most of winston said is pretty much true. You aren't doing yourself any favors by simply dismissing those who don't hold your position.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#7 - 2014-07-18 18:32:37 UTC
Standard arguments, recognizing 'Buffs' intended to distract you from the nerfs.

Magician and his act is as follows.
''Oh look over here at this shiny new Bastion module, and the ship see how it changes shape, OOH Ahh''
Whispers to partner 'That should keep them distracted long enough for us to take another 20% off mission rewards, oh and while we are at it lets remove another 50% off the drops''
''Yes folks keep your eye on the shiny thing, never mind the man behind the curtain.''

To be clear I don't think it's a conspiracy, or an evil genius controlling fates from the shadows; The majority voted for a CSM, we all paid the CEO, we are now seeing the fruits of their labour.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Montey Haul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-07-18 18:51:04 UTC
I certainly don't wish to be seemingly dismissive of anyone's view. I more than happy to have a solid conversation pertaining to these obvious issues. What I am dismissive of is trolling or putting other folks dow in order to appear more capable. The tin foil hat comment for example is not needed here. I am no conspiracy nut job. I do think there is a concerted effort to manipulate the option in high sec as well as the market.
Winston Salem
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-07-18 18:55:29 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Standard arguments, recognizing 'Buffs' intended to distract you from the nerfs.

Magician and his act is as follows.
''Oh look over here at this shiny new Bastion module, and the ship see how it changes shape, OOH Ahh''
Whispers to partner 'That should keep them distracted long enough for us to take another 20% off mission rewards, oh and while we are at it lets remove another 50% off the drops''
''Yes folks keep your eye on the shiny thing, never mind the man behind the curtain.''

To be clear I don't think it's a conspiracy, or an evil genius controlling fates from the shadows; The majority voted for a CSM, we all paid the CEO, we are now seeing the fruits of their labour.


As a mission runner, i say you're wrong. Personally, I've never made so much isk (someone should have thought of Pro Synergy sooner), the changes to the Raven Navy Issue by itself was a huge honking big buff to my mission times. It's not CCPs fault that some people decided to be too dependent on 'drops' and 'gun mining' that anyone with any foresight could have seen was unbalanced. fixing unbalanced things isn't a nerf, it's a fix.

But the buffs far outweigh any wrongly perceived nerfs. Look at the LP stores, mining implants are crazy insane isk and the inclusion of the new Sisters of EVE (SOE) ships made the scanning implants and such worth a whole lot more than they used to be. if you're not cashing in on this, you aren't running missions for optimal gain. I've made a lot of scratch simply by mission in what used to be mission hubs because everyone is now in Osmon.

The DEVs aren't paying me to say any of this, although that would be very nice hehe, it's just the truth. Mission Running is better than ever, while it might pay slightly less, it's better than that bore fest called incursions.

Winston Salem
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-07-18 18:56:19 UTC
Montey Haul wrote:
I am no conspiracy nut job. I do think there is a concerted effort to manipulate the option in high sec as well as the market.


Priceless
Montey Haul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-07-18 19:06:56 UTC
Perhaps you are doing something wrong in incursions :) Anyway the LP/Standing as well as the loot drops are significantly less than previous for some time now. I mission often on my main and I make out okay but that is about to change already. By the way Pro Synergy has been around for quiet a while. Maybe someday I'll become expert like you and troll threads with my all knowing powers :)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-07-18 19:30:05 UTC
I've noticed over the years that various aspects of high sec PvE keeps getting nerfed time and time again while low sec keeps getting buffed.


DMC
Winston Salem
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-07-18 19:50:29 UTC
Montey Haul wrote:
Perhaps you are doing something wrong in incursions :) Anyway the LP/Standing as well as the loot drops are significantly less than previous for some time now. I mission often on my main and I make out okay but that is about to change already. By the way Pro Synergy has been around for quiet a while. Maybe someday I'll become expert like you and troll threads with my all knowing powers :)


Since when is telling it like it is "trolling"? I'm a mission runner, I run missions for isk to buy game time with and what's left over I use for playing the market. If there had been some kind of significant nerf, I'd say that because it would be true.

And no I'm not doing something wrong in incursions. The isk is fine, but even when you have a job (when asked I play my role as Vindi anchor, and I've been drone bunny plenty of times in VGs and hQ), I find it to be very boring. At least with missions I can quit when i feel like it without letting the team down.

At best mission running is stagnant, but the Devs fixing some really unbalanced things like gun mining isn't 'nerfing' high sec anymore than CCP fixing moon mining was a 'nerf' to 0.0 space. Unlike many player I don't ignore when the Devs give new things that affect missions, like the Micro-jump drive, mobil tractors, target painters that don't suck and the New RNI.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2014-07-18 19:52:55 UTC
Had to laugh at the title of this one.
Funnier knowing there's a ballgag out there with the op's name on it.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-07-18 20:36:49 UTC
Redundant thread is redundant.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#16 - 2014-07-18 20:39:21 UTC
Winston Salem wrote:
...

I am sorry you picked the wrong ship to do PVE in...

I have been salvaging and looting every mission I have ever run for 4 years, I run each of the 5 Epic arcs (Except Sisters) every 90 days, I maintain a healthy and diverse market account with a couple hundred billion, I keep nearly 20 mil LP saved up to take advantage of market fluctuations and I have logged more fleet hours than 90% of Incursion runners. I have trained BS V, Weapons spec V and Marauders V on 3 toons for all 4 factions, testing efficiency with Vindis, Nightmares, Machs, Vargurs and Golems (Hate the Domi).

With all that I see a loss over the years of earnings in Missions and Arcs, a constantly dwindling profit margin in loot and salvage and a drop in safety as all the High Bears are herded into tighter and tighter margins trying to make what they made before.

And all the while seeing the seemingly never ending whine from the ADD populace to 'Nerf High sec' and 'MORE PVP'. Well perhaps the saving grace is that they can stop clogging the forums with their Arterial Sclerosis posts, it is done, they have Nerfed High Sec, been nerfing it since 2010, and will probably continue to swing the bat.

Big smile

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#17 - 2014-07-18 20:46:07 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I've noticed over the years that various aspects of high sec PvE keeps getting nerfed time and time again while low sec keeps getting buffed.


DMC


And yet low sec is still empty. Make of that what you will.

But back to the OP. Missions nerfs I suppose I can see. It isn't really my cup of tea and hasn't been for some time so I'm not currently qualified to really get into a detailed discussion one way or the other.

So that aside: the market? What are you even talking about here? I mean that with the utmost honesty; I'm utterly confused as to how you see the market somehow nerfed to chase anyone out of high (or nerfed at all for the matter). The only changes I see have made the UI marginally more useful. What is it you're seeing that I'm not?
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#18 - 2014-07-18 20:51:30 UTC
wasn't were 3 other threads like this from same person today?
Montey Haul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-07-18 21:07:36 UTC
Goldiiee, I agree with what you have stated clearly. Things have changed significantly over even the last year or two. I'm not sure what timeframe the other folks are talking about... But less than 2 years ago there were occasionally mission loot drops over 100mil isk on many occasions. Now there are none that I have seen and I too generally loot everything. I'm sorry it seems that the momentum of this thread seems to only have attracted a few folks. I had hoped there would be less trolling here and more a concern. In response to the low being unpopulated still. I think as with the upcoming patch you will see more and more people unsubbing or diminishing their in game investments until such time the changes stabilize. I don't think the folks that are being pushed into other venues are going to be pushed very far. I have very much enjoyed Indi and Market meta game as well as Missioning and PVP. I too run the Epic Arcs on a 90 day basis and enjoy the rewards there also. Hopefully some more folks will read and respond here with similar points, but I feel this thread isn't probably going to reach out very far. I will miss the folks that are going. I hope that there is a way to maintain the current gameplay options and keep the players involved also. It may be too little concern to late and I can't seem to keep up with the detractors very well.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#20 - 2014-07-18 21:28:54 UTC
Montey Haul wrote:
Hopefully some more folks will read and respond here with similar points


Are you actually reaching out explicitly to reinforce your confirmation bias?

And yeah, still curious: how has the market been nerfed?
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