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ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#1 - 2011-12-07 18:01:06 UTC
Shield versus Armor tanking. Majority of players utilize shield tanking, I for one however, use armor tanking and it seems to be a rarity on the game. I haven't played EVE that long but I can only assume with the sheer amount of people using shield tanking, armor tanking needs balancing.

All my mid slots are used by cap rechargers, and by equipping an armor repair, it's almost impossible to speed tank (equipping afterburners) for example doing pve missions.

I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor.

THoughts ... insights ...


Smile

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-12-07 18:04:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
both are viable. And armor tanking / speaking of buffer / is actually prefered at most large encoutners.

1400mm Abaddons are superior to Maelstrom .. they got nearly twice the ehp.. with same alpha..
ofc there is the mobility and agility thing .. where maelstrom is superior but at some scale its not worth mentioning.

Active tanking is well useless unless you are the ganking one and chose what you encounter. In large scale totally useless.

Active shield tanking is way superior to armor .. Since the rep from armor gives you laughable ammount of hp back.
Sure armor reps. got their pros as well, like cap consumption, but honestly who expect to live past one or two minutes in active fight anyway?

and yes PvE wise.. unless you use some pimped up ship armor tanking is only good vs enemy which deal primarily EMP damage.
And even then shield tanking is probably better since you got more power to your guns/missiles.

second edit :
Armor tanking got one huge advantage over shield and its free med slot for electronic warfare. using it for cap recharchers is waste.
Stick some TP in there, or tracking disruptors, sensor dampeners, webs.. Those can help you out in many encounters if you know when and how to use them.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-12-07 18:05:19 UTC
Most people shield tank for a reason, shields are better Bear

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Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-12-07 18:07:28 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Shield versus Armor tanking. Majority of players utilize shield tanking, I for one however, use armor tanking and it seems to be a rarity on the game. I haven't played EVE that long but I can only assume with the sheer amount of people using shield tanking, armor tanking needs balancing.

All my mid slots are used by cap rechargers, and by equipping an armor repair, it's almost impossible to speed tank (equipping afterburners) for example doing pve missions.

I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor.

THoughts ... insights ...


Smile



I have flown armor tanked ships practically exclusively. Either I'm missing out on ezmode or armor tanking is just fine.

Also, what fits are you trying to use? I might be able to help out a bit.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#5 - 2011-12-07 18:09:52 UTC
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
ACESsiggy wrote:
Shield versus Armor tanking. Majority of players utilize shield tanking, I for one however, use armor tanking and it seems to be a rarity on the game. I haven't played EVE that long but I can only assume with the sheer amount of people using shield tanking, armor tanking needs balancing.

All my mid slots are used by cap rechargers, and by equipping an armor repair, it's almost impossible to speed tank (equipping afterburners) for example doing pve missions.

I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor.

THoughts ... insights ...


Smile



I have flown armor tanked ships practically exclusively. Either I'm missing out on ezmode or armor tanking is just fine.

Also, what fits are you trying to use? I might be able to help out a bit.



Presently fly a Megathron, had a Hyperion but didn't care for it too much. I'm not sure how to link my ship and its current fitting.

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-07 18:11:16 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
ACESsiggy wrote:
Shield versus Armor tanking. Majority of players utilize shield tanking, I for one however, use armor tanking and it seems to be a rarity on the game. I haven't played EVE that long but I can only assume with the sheer amount of people using shield tanking, armor tanking needs balancing.

All my mid slots are used by cap rechargers, and by equipping an armor repair, it's almost impossible to speed tank (equipping afterburners) for example doing pve missions.

I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor.

THoughts ... insights ...


Smile



I have flown armor tanked ships practically exclusively. Either I'm missing out on ezmode or armor tanking is just fine.

Also, what fits are you trying to use? I might be able to help out a bit.



Presently fly a Megathron, had a Hyperion but didn't care for it too much. I'm not sure how to link my ship and its current fitting.


export, import it to EFT. Copy to clipboard.
And insert it there.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#7 - 2011-12-07 18:14:36 UTC
Practical armor tank requires RR in the fleet, even in small fleets because the only practical armor tank is buffer.

The general rule is, gank beats tank anyway and it's really a lottery in large fleets. If you are lucky primary number one, your dead.

Combo those statements it's what makes Guardian primary. They can spider and keep fleets on the field.
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#8 - 2011-12-07 18:16:53 UTC
Armor tanking is hardly a rarity.
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#9 - 2011-12-07 18:19:14 UTC
I fly both types of tanks in PvE. Both seem to have a niche, depending on who you are fighting. I have to do more cap management with my CNR than my Abaddon though. Couple that with missle launcher management and a target painter, and I find the Raven a much fussier ship to fly on missions.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#10 - 2011-12-07 18:20:46 UTC
High

350mm Prototype Gauss Cannon X 7
Arbelest Cruise Launcher X 1

Medium

Cap Recharger II X 3
Monopulse Tracking X 1

LOW

Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repair X 1
Active Hardners II X 4
Magnetic Field Stabs X 2

RIGS

Large Capacitor Control X 2
Hybrid Collision Accelerator X1



Hope this works... don't have EFT installed atm

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-12-07 18:56:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
armor tank is usually:

1DCU II
1EANM II
1-2 active hardeners
either plate or repper

for pve you could skip the DCU, but it helps a lot if things go awry.
Good thing about the armor tank is that you have good "secondary" resists because of your EANM, so you can usually deal better with mixed damage types. In theory, at least.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-12-07 19:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Vallek Arkonnis
I just whipped this up

[Megathron]

350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
[Empty High slot]

LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Rather generic mission armor fit. Cap lasts ~4min with everything on, stable with AB off. I'm not sure what your fitting skills are but there's enough CPU and PG left over to fit meta 4 425's.

Edit: Although I'm not sure how much you'd want to speed tank in a BS considering most of the targets in level 4's are BC and smaller.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#13 - 2011-12-07 19:28:51 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Shield versus Armor tanking. Majority of players utilize shield tanking, I for one however, use armor tanking and it seems to be a rarity on the game. I haven't played EVE that long but I can only assume with the sheer amount of people using shield tanking, armor tanking needs balancing.

All my mid slots are used by cap rechargers, and by equipping an armor repair, it's almost impossible to speed tank (equipping afterburners) for example doing pve missions.

I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor.

THoughts ... insights ...


Smile



armor tank = sebos, points, webs and scrams

shield tank = DPS, tracking and systems buffs

typically if you want to fleet up and roam the shield fit is better as you can fit the tools to deliver the DPS and a lot of people run shield logi.

armor fleets happen too, then everyone gets to point and scram but deliver less punch, thus the slightly better numbers on an armor tank
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-12-07 19:30:33 UTC
I want a laser/shield ship. Space technology! Plus the fact that the tank uses no cap would be a good thing for the lasers.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Never Learn
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-12-07 19:30:34 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Shield versus Armor tanking.

I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor.

THoughts ... insights ...



Your post without doing any research on your own is what i like to refer to as a "sign of the times".........I'm getting to old.

Here - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=319967
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#16 - 2011-12-07 19:37:24 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Most people shield tank for a reason, shields are better Bear


Just one comment: lol.
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#17 - 2011-12-07 19:39:42 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
Just so you know.
Armor tanking = PVP
Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE
Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :)

..
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2011-12-07 19:43:48 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Just so you know.
Armor tanking = PVP
Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE
Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :)


How wrong you are

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#19 - 2011-12-07 19:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Krios Ahzek wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Just so you know.
Armor tanking = PVP
Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE
Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :)


How wrong you are


this

typical pvp cane

6x 425mm ACII
2x neuts or missiles

2x LSE
1x MWD
1X point

3x gyrostab II
1x DC II
2x TE II

2x medium CDFE
1x medium anti-EM

about a 45k buffer tank
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#20 - 2011-12-07 19:55:39 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Just so you know.
Armor tanking = PVP
Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE
Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :)


How wrong you are


this

typical pvp cane

6x 425mm ACII
2x neuts or missiles

2x LSE
1x MWD
1X point

3x gyrostab II
1x DC II
2x TE II

2x medium CDFE
1x medium anti-EM

about a 45k buffer tank


^that^

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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