These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Test Server Feedback

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Pushing the limits of "test" in test server

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Adriana Mal'Valeran
Zero Fun Allowed
#21 - 2014-07-18 09:59:17 UTC
You could just spend 3 grand on plexes and buy a 100 mil sp char off the forums and use that to test?
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#22 - 2014-07-18 11:16:47 UTC
I'm going to keep my own opinions on this private for now, so as not to bias the ongoing discussion, but I wanted to post to let you know that I'm reading this thread and am subscribed to it for future updates.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Kora Ethereal
Ethereal Beings
#23 - 2014-07-18 12:16:29 UTC
Decarthado Aurgnet wrote:
So, your preference for Sisi would be that, in all practicality, the only things testable by the general playerbase should be whatever the devs are focusing on at the moment? i.e., giving people some sp's and free supercaps in the event of a supercap tweak? Would this method of execution be designed to keep people off of Singularity unless there's a planned mass test?



Generally yes, but to also allow players that mass-test to test whatever they please in the meantime.

If something needs testing they'll dump books in the market or use a script to apply random or minimum skill values associated with what will be tested.

The method would still gernally allow for the "Live EFT" and skirmishes to take place while encouraging users to fiddle with stuff that's being updated, due to the lack of Free Everything. Seeding could possibly still take place in the Combat Systems to allow the generall SiSI antics to continue existing in the meantime. Seeing as that is it's primary use when there are no mass-tests about.
Hell Freeze
Monti Industries
#24 - 2014-07-18 14:58:45 UTC
I was using this character to test Supers and Titans but it takes too long to build them and way too many trips back and forth to the POS.

Selling toon :-/
hellswindstaff
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#25 - 2014-07-18 15:22:07 UTC
200 billion dorrah for itP
Tibo Paralian
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#26 - 2014-07-18 15:43:13 UTC
The test server as it stands is a way for CCP to test their new features and code improvements. For a brand new player, SiSi serves almost no purpose. All you see now is big ships fighting in the arena beacons. So what CCP does to incentize players to come to their test is give out 2M skill points if you happen to be available during 17:00 EVE time. And if I understand the wording correctly, when a new mirror comes up, you get to keep 5 of the last 2M skill points awarded, not the one you participated in, but the last five tests they did.

TLDR - Everything is affordable, except time and skill points.
Riela Tanal
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-07-18 16:10:10 UTC
This is unrelated to the skill point request but another way to speed up testing. Is there a way that players can get access to the CCP autofitter tool that the devs use to fit ships in larger quantities faster than what is currently available. This could help with testing balances changes quicker than just the mass tests done by ccp.

The player version obviously would only pull from your hangar only instead of just from the DB, this way no officer, deadspace, faction or super capitals would be spawning.
Dietrich Ghetzki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-07-18 16:26:21 UTC
Tibo Paralian wrote:
The test server as it stands is a way for CCP to test their new features and code improvements. For a brand new player, SiSi serves almost no purpose. All you see now is big ships fighting in the arena beacons. So what CCP does to incentize players to come to their test is give out 2M skill points if you happen to be available during 17:00 EVE time. And if I understand the wording correctly, when a new mirror comes up, you get to keep 5 of the last 2M skill points awarded, not the one you participated in, but the last five tests they did.

TLDR - Everything is affordable, except time and skill points.



I must agree, generally speaking any aspects of a test they do is usually beyond the reach of any new pilots. Though the 2m SP doesn't always cover the skills needed for the pilot to assist in the testing.

~ I can only help those who wish it. ~
hellswindstaff
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#29 - 2014-07-18 16:29:20 UTC
Dietrich Ghetzki wrote:
Tibo Paralian wrote:
The test server as it stands is a way for CCP to test their new features and code improvements. For a brand new player, SiSi serves almost no purpose. All you see now is big ships fighting in the arena beacons. So what CCP does to incentize players to come to their test is give out 2M skill points if you happen to be available during 17:00 EVE time. And if I understand the wording correctly, when a new mirror comes up, you get to keep 5 of the last 2M skill points awarded, not the one you participated in, but the last five tests they did.

TLDR - Everything is affordable, except time and skill points.



I must agree, generally speaking any aspects of a test they do is usually beyond the reach of any new pilots. Though the 2m SP doesn't always cover the skills needed for the pilot to assist in the testing.


well if you are that far away that masss test sp doesnt cover it you arent flying it on TQ any time soon so the test point is kinda silly
Hell Freeze
Monti Industries
#30 - 2014-07-18 16:31:07 UTC
hellswindstaff wrote:
well if you are that far away that masss test sp doesnt cover it you arent flying it on TQ any time soon so the test point is kinda silly
Did you even bother reading the OP?
hellswindstaff
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#31 - 2014-07-18 16:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: hellswindstaff
Hell Freeze wrote:
hellswindstaff wrote:
well if you are that far away that masss test sp doesnt cover it you arent flying it on TQ any time soon so the test point is kinda silly
Did you even bother reading the OP?


Yes things evolve as the conversation happens. Actually its a valid point. If you are 276 days away from it whats the purpose of CCP going out of its way to max skill everyone and make a totally unrealistic test environment? Did you feel need to troll me?
Hell Freeze
Monti Industries
#32 - 2014-07-18 16:38:09 UTC

How about letting us put our Mass Test Bonus SP's into a pool for newer players?

Or just allow us to give those SP's to someone else?
hellswindstaff
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#33 - 2014-07-18 16:41:03 UTC
Hell Freeze wrote:

How about letting us put our Mass Test Bonus SP's into a pool for newer players?

Or just allow us to give those SP's to someone else?



instead of 10 moros' you would end up with 50 undocking all controlled by 1 dude.
Hell Freeze
Monti Industries
#34 - 2014-07-18 16:42:36 UTC
hellswindstaff wrote:
Hell Freeze wrote:

How about letting us put our Mass Test Bonus SP's into a pool for newer players?

Or just allow us to give those SP's to someone else?

instead of 10 moros' you would end up with 50 undocking all controlled by 1 dude.

Those guys get SP's for their alts anyway...
hellswindstaff
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#35 - 2014-07-18 16:49:32 UTC
Hell Freeze wrote:
hellswindstaff wrote:
Hell Freeze wrote:

How about letting us put our Mass Test Bonus SP's into a pool for newer players?

Or just allow us to give those SP's to someone else?

instead of 10 moros' you would end up with 50 undocking all controlled by 1 dude.

Those guys get SP's for their alts anyway...



OK, look at it like this i have 10 toons that can already moros you to death. I have another 20 that cant. I can mass test the ten and the other 20 and give the sp from the 10 to the 20 and then do 30 max skilled. Which is an extreme example but as much as I like your idea this is what it would actually end up being used for.
Hell Freeze
Monti Industries
#36 - 2014-07-18 16:57:00 UTC
hellswindstaff wrote:
Hell Freeze wrote:
hellswindstaff wrote:
Hell Freeze wrote:

How about letting us put our Mass Test Bonus SP's into a pool for newer players?

Or just allow us to give those SP's to someone else?

instead of 10 moros' you would end up with 50 undocking all controlled by 1 dude.

Those guys get SP's for their alts anyway...



OK, look at it like this i have 10 toons that can already moros you to death. I have another 20 that cant. I can mass test the ten and the other 20 and give the sp from the 10 to the 20 and then do 30 max skilled. Which is an extreme example but as much as I like your idea this is what it would actually end up being used for.

That makes sense. Didn't think of it that way. +1
hellswindstaff
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#37 - 2014-07-18 17:16:11 UTC
Hell Freeze wrote:
hellswindstaff wrote:
Hell Freeze wrote:
hellswindstaff wrote:
Hell Freeze wrote:

How about letting us put our Mass Test Bonus SP's into a pool for newer players?

Or just allow us to give those SP's to someone else?

instead of 10 moros' you would end up with 50 undocking all controlled by 1 dude.

Those guys get SP's for their alts anyway...



OK, look at it like this i have 10 toons that can already moros you to death. I have another 20 that cant. I can mass test the ten and the other 20 and give the sp from the 10 to the 20 and then do 30 max skilled. Which is an extreme example but as much as I like your idea this is what it would actually end up being used for.

That makes sense. Didn't think of it that way. +1



someone would still manage to fit 1600 plates to their moros after all that too. Shocked
Theon Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-07-18 23:14:14 UTC
Decarthado Aurgnet wrote:
Kora Etherealis wrote:
any single suggestion I've seen feasible in a sense that it would be WORTH CCP's TIME to implement it? No.

See, this right here is a response I can live with. I can respect this opinion.

Still, assume we live in a perfect magical world where dev's had infinite time and could always write perfect code with unending enthusiasm for always getting everything just right. What then? What would you feel would be added and/or taken away from the test server?


Assuming that? Well let's get them working on POS mechanics and all the legacy code first, yeah?
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#39 - 2014-07-19 00:19:33 UTC
Honestly, i don't much care, but adding 100 mil to everyone, or having an option to select or make an all 5 pilot would be nice

If i want to test the fuel usage, I have to train JF5 and jump fuel conservation5, both are 30+ day skills - hardly have enough time to do it, especially with new mirrors and resets on sisi
hellswindstaff
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#40 - 2014-07-19 00:42:05 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Honestly, i don't much care, but adding 100 mil to everyone, or having an option to select or make an all 5 pilot would be nice

If i want to test the fuel usage, I have to train JF5 and jump fuel conservation5, both are 30+ day skills - hardly have enough time to do it, especially with new mirrors and resets on sisi


They said no a million times to that. Makes test environment unrealistic if everyone is lvl5 maxed