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Manticore Pre-Covert Ops Cloak, suggestions ?

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Avern
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-07-18 08:47:08 UTC
Hi

So I am finally going to get my covert ops training finished today however I am 4 days away from cloaking IV , I ideally would have liked to have some fun with the ship this weekend but should I wait the 4 days or can I make a plan with another cloak until then ?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2014-07-18 09:10:02 UTC
Wait the 4 days, you will fairly likely lose your ship even with the cloak, you will without it.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#3 - 2014-07-18 11:33:24 UTC
Most of the fun derived from flying a bomber is the uncloaking part. A cloakless bomber would be like a pulled pork sammich w/ no sauce on it.
Avern
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-07-18 11:47:01 UTC
Well I can cloak as is I just cant warp cloaked... yet
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2014-07-18 16:13:06 UTC
In all fairness to Maeltstome, we see a lot of people looking for validation of their plans "cleverly" disguised as requests for advice and it's somewhat irritating when you actually engage in a thread only to have it spat back in your face (by no means accusing you of that, just giving context).

Eve rewards patient people and punishes (with extreme prejudice) the impatient.

Good luck with the manticore.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#6 - 2014-07-18 16:31:33 UTC
Don't fly it without the CovOps cloak, just wait and fly other ships in the meantime.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#7 - 2014-07-18 18:29:23 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Eve rewards patient people and punishes (with extreme prejudice) the impatient.

Quoting for emphasis. Flying a ship that you can't properly fit is begging for a lossmail.

Would you fly a Stealth Bomber if you couldn't fit torpedo launchers yet? I would certainly hope not.

I would not put a non-CovOps cloak on any ship that can fit one. Not only can you not warp cloaked, but your scan resolution gets hosed. To kill anything in a bomber while cloaked with a non CovOps cloak, not only would they have to warp right to you, they'd have to wait around for what would seem like an eternity before you can lock them. In addition to that, I don't know if the Stealth Bomber's "no sensor recalibration delay" applies to non-CovOps cloaks, so you could possibly have to wait around for even longer before locking your would-be prey.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2014-07-18 20:51:40 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I would not put a non-CovOps cloak on any ship that can fit one.


This. Never. Ever. Every ship that can fit a covops cloak is balanced around having one and flying the ship without is accepting all the drawbacks built into the ship without taking advantage of the upside.

Bronson Hughes wrote:
I don't know if the Stealth Bomber's "no sensor recalibration delay" applies to non-CovOps cloaks, so you could possibly have to wait around for even longer before locking your would-be prey.


No one knows. (Ok, someone probably does but it's so arcane even I can't recall and I'm usually pretty good at this stuff.) But the reason should be obvious: no one flies without the cloak because that's the whole point of bombers.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-07-19 00:01:46 UTC
If you must do this fly a cloaking Kestrel or something. It would at least be less dumb than the cloakless bomber.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-07-19 00:26:09 UTC
A bomber without a cov ops cloak is like a Megathron with lasers. Is it doable? Yes. Is it even a remotely good idea? No, not at all.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#11 - 2014-07-19 04:10:23 UTC
This thread just became awesome.

A bomber w/out a cloak is like.... Leto Thules mom w/out a mustache.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-07-19 06:49:39 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
If you must do this fly a cloaking Kestrel or something. It would at least be less dumb than the cloakless bomber.

A whole lot cheaper too!
Avern
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-07-19 20:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Avern
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Eve rewards patient people and punishes (with extreme prejudice) the impatient.

I would not put a non-CovOps cloak on any ship that can fit one.


Agreed

I've been looking at a lot of different ships with a lot of different roles since posting this thread and I fully understand this now. I've basically been a mission runner only for a few years where you can ease into a fit there is a margin of error but with PVP there is none (Learnt that the hard way in a buzzard explorer)

I didn't quite realize how much of a game changer the cov ops cloak is and feel kinda stupid for making the post in the first place.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#14 - 2014-07-19 22:33:01 UTC
Avern wrote:
I didn't quite realize how much of a game changer the cov ops cloak is and feel kinda stupid for making the post in the first place.

You were smart enough to ask first. That counts for a lot, especially when it meant admitting what you didn't know.

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-07-19 23:48:03 UTC
To add a bit more content:

Covert capable ships pay an enormous premium for their ability to warp cloaked. In general, you are looking at the raw combat power of their T1 equivalents for the price of a T2 hull (though the covert ships will generally also have some interesting bonuses related to their specialization). Their ability to warp cloaked lets them pick their fights and often choose the range at which the engagement begins. An Arazu, for example, isn't really any stronger than a Thorax in a straight fight, but it's a Thorax that can only gets into fights it knows it can win by decloaking on top of its target at its preferred range (and then waiting 8 seconds for sensor recalibration and lock time Lol). Anything it doesn't want to fight it just avoids.

If you don't have the Covops cloak fitted, you lose everything that makes it worth using the ship in the first place.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2014-07-20 02:14:42 UTC
And most importantly,
covops cloaks are ******* cool.
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#17 - 2014-07-20 20:32:06 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
And most importantly,
covops cloaks are ******* cool.


There is nothing cooler than roaming around in a covops ship. Feel like a U-boat.

MFW: http://imgur.com/4r24Nm3

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Avern
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-07-21 08:04:46 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
And most importantly,
covops cloaks are ******* cool.


There is nothing cooler than roaming around in a covops ship. Feel like a U-boat.

MFW: http://imgur.com/4r24Nm3


I would imagine so, sewing the seeds of paranoia is really the appeal.
Horus H'kaan
Grand Theft Enyo
#19 - 2014-07-27 20:34:22 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Would you fly a Stealth Bomber if you couldn't fit torpedo launchers yet? I would certainly hope not.


I totally would - fit rockets instead! You just gotta change your prey up a bit. Rocket Bombers are excellent for catching exploration frigates. ;)

I'm in your mission, stealin' your loots.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#20 - 2014-07-31 06:31:12 UTC
Removed a non-constructive post.

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