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Sydian Rie
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#1 - 2014-07-10 21:23:25 UTC
My alt has all the BPO's to build the Archon and all four dreads including all the capital mod bpo's ie:repper, fighters, remote cap/shield/armor as well as the turret/bay bpo's for the dreads etc...

All the component bpo's are researched to ME200 PE0 and the Archon is ME3 PE0. All other mod BPO's are researched ME8 PE5 or higher. All in all it's taken about a year of researching.

Will these all be worth less after the patch? Should I start researching higher PE before the patch goes live? If I were to just sell them, can I expect any profit now that Crius is coming? Any advice at all?

I BLINK therefore I am broke...
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-07-11 10:53:36 UTC
The best BPO/BPCs will be ME 10/ PE 10. In that sense, anything you have > ME/PE 10 was wasted effort. Anything that is not ME/PE 10 now will benefit from getting there before patch, specially since it'll take a while to do the highest levels of research in Crius.

They won't at any point become worthless though.
sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#3 - 2014-07-11 16:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: sci0gon
Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:
The best BPO/BPCs will be ME 10/ PE 20. In that sense, anything you have > ME10/PE20 was wasted effort.


updated it for you


Sydian Rie its basically a big FU to all long term industrialists who put a lot of time and effort into research and production. All bpos are getting nuked to me10/pe20 max, providing you have decent research on them as the previous poster above me said, just to put everyone on equal footing, well almost everyone null sec indies will have it nicer than everyone else.

myself personally I had a lot of bpo's that were 0% waste which while it was a small increase in profit margins it was helping me to gain more than the average joe because I went that extra mile and that is an option taken out of the game now with regards to production. on a good note, you'll be able to research that archon and the dread bpos to me10 within 2 months at most
Celor Ma'fer
Jouhinen Inc
#4 - 2014-07-17 11:46:59 UTC
sci0gon wrote:
Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:
The best BPO/BPCs will be ME 10/ PE 20. In that sense, anything you have > ME10/PE20 was wasted effort.


updated it for you


Sydian Rie its basically a big FU to all long term industrialists who put a lot of time and effort into research and production. All bpos are getting nuked to me10/pe20 max, providing you have decent research on them as the previous poster above me said, just to put everyone on equal footing, well almost everyone null sec indies will have it nicer than everyone else.

myself personally I had a lot of bpo's that were 0% waste which while it was a small increase in profit margins it was helping me to gain more than the average joe because I went that extra mile and that is an option taken out of the game now with regards to production. on a good note, you'll be able to research that archon and the dread bpos to me10 within 2 months at most



I admit that I have not read every forum post that is on the Test Server Feedback forums, but when did they change it from ME/PE 10 to ME 10/PE20? The last I knew it was still 10 each.
Charlie Nonoke
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#5 - 2014-07-17 20:26:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Nonoke
Celor Ma'fer wrote:


I admit that I have not read every forum post that is on the Test Server Feedback forums, but when did they change it from ME/PE 10 to ME 10/PE20? The last I knew it was still 10 each.
You are still correct, the levels will be 1-10 for BOTH ME and TE, the effects will be 10% / 20% for ME and TE respectively. I assume sci0gon was referring to the effects.

I can confirm this with SiSi changes. All my ME and PE 10 BPOs are changed to ME 10 and TE 10, with EFFECTS of 10% reduced mats, and 20% less time.
Lion El'Johnson
Fun Police
#6 - 2014-07-18 04:53:50 UTC
sci0gon wrote:
on a good note, you'll be able to research that archon and the dread bpos to me10 within 2 months at most


Last i knew, it would take over 2 years to do that after Crius. Did they change that ?
DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
#7 - 2014-07-18 08:00:12 UTC
sci0gon wrote:
Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:
The best BPO/BPCs will be ME 10/ PE 20. In that sense, anything you have > ME10/PE20 was wasted effort.


updated it for you


Sydian Rie its basically a big FU to all long term industrialists who put a lot of time and effort into research and production. All bpos are getting nuked to me10/pe20 max, providing you have decent research on them as the previous poster above me said, just to put everyone on equal footing, well almost everyone null sec indies will have it nicer than everyone else.

myself personally I had a lot of bpo's that were 0% waste which while it was a small increase in profit margins it was helping me to gain more than the average joe because I went that extra mile and that is an option taken out of the game now with regards to production. on a good note, you'll be able to research that archon and the dread bpos to me10 within 2 months at most



CCP are keeping the test server down (I guess they dont want people to see the changes?)

From memory of what I seen on the test sever, you'll not get a Carrier or Dread bpo from 0 to 10 within 2 months.
It's something like 277 days to go from level 9 to level 10 on Freighters, so Carriers and Dreads should be the same.
PE time however has gone down as I think it now matches ME.. Before PE was "generally" 50% more than ME.
So a 10/10 job (with a 10/20 results, why the hell would they not just make PE 1 run equal 1% is beyond reason, Less coding I guess, it seems sloppy)....
So a 10/10 capital (+10/+20 Discount or is it -10 -20 Bonus, STANDARDS PLEASE)... Will now take over two years.
Before it was ~2 months for ME and ~3 months for PE.. or about 4 years to go to 10/10..
Where this stings players is for those of us who dumped a TON of YEARS into ME, and didnt have time to get PE high as well.
Some prints are now a lot worse off too.
Outpost are horrible, the base egg bpo would have previously taken about 22 months for 10/10, now it's just shy of 8 years.
So 4x longer. Not only that, but the install cost on most BPO's will mean that It'll never be worth doing that 10th level.
DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
#8 - 2014-07-18 08:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: DeODokktor
Sydian Rie wrote:
My alt has all the BPO's to build the Archon and all four dreads including all the capital mod bpo's ie:repper, fighters, remote cap/shield/armor as well as the turret/bay bpo's for the dreads etc...

All the component bpo's are researched to ME200 PE0 and the Archon is ME3 PE0. All other mod BPO's are researched ME8 PE5 or higher. All in all it's taken about a year of researching.

Will these all be worth less after the patch? Should I start researching higher PE before the patch goes live? If I were to just sell them, can I expect any profit now that Crius is coming? Any advice at all?



5 goes to 9 (or PE 18)
4 goes to 8 (or PE 16)

If you have any ME4 prints that will take 30 days to go to me5 then I might be tempted to install them.
The conversion is non-linear, but so is the new research system, so your not going to make out like a bandit at this point. If you could have gotten ME10 on your capital prints then that would have been worth it. I would put the Cap Components in for 10 levels of PE/PL research now as it'll likely be cheaper and possibly quicker. A bit odd you kept them at 0, but eh...

Anything you have that's 9, Throw it in the oven for that 10th level, Your not going to take a loss. If your stuck using stations then I guess it might be a pain. Not too sure what will happen to existing jobs come patch day. My guess is that they'll forcefully complete all jobs early, but they might convert the jobs to be jobs under the new system (I cant see them running two systems side by side). Sadly one is expected to trawl these "Forums" for a dev who "Knows"... The Blogs thus far have been a big mix of "It's happening on the 22nt, and we will decide what is happening sometime before then!"...

I set up a POS up a few weeks ago and managed to get 516 bpo's to 10/10 for patch :)...
Sadly 6 didnt make it.
Thanatos 10+/3, Charon 10+/2, Amarr egg 10+/3, Matar egg 10+/4, And a couple of cruddy POS prints (but I think they went from like 2 year jobs to 2 month jobs after the change, so no biggie!)...
Sydian Rie
No-Mercy
Shadow Ultimatum
#9 - 2014-07-18 14:20:23 UTC
DeODokktor wrote:
Sydian Rie wrote:
My alt has all the BPO's to build the Archon and all four dreads including all the capital mod bpo's ie:repper, fighters, remote cap/shield/armor as well as the turret/bay bpo's for the dreads etc...

All the component bpo's are researched to ME200 PE0 and the Archon is ME3 PE0. All other mod BPO's are researched ME8 PE5 or higher. All in all it's taken about a year of researching.

Will these all be worth less after the patch? Should I start researching higher PE before the patch goes live? If I were to just sell them, can I expect any profit now that Crius is coming? Any advice at all?



5 goes to 9 (or PE 18)
4 goes to 8 (or PE 16)

If you have any ME4 prints that will take 30 days to go to me5 then I might be tempted to install them.
The conversion is non-linear, but so is the new research system, so your not going to make out like a bandit at this point. If you could have gotten ME10 on your capital prints then that would have been worth it. I would put the Cap Components in for 10 levels of PE/PL research now as it'll likely be cheaper and possibly quicker. A bit odd you kept them at 0, but eh...

Anything you have that's 9, Throw it in the oven for that 10th level, Your not going to take a loss. If your stuck using stations then I guess it might be a pain. Not too sure what will happen to existing jobs come patch day. My guess is that they'll forcefully complete all jobs early, but they might convert the jobs to be jobs under the new system (I cant see them running two systems side by side). Sadly one is expected to trawl these "Forums" for a dev who "Knows"... The Blogs thus far have been a big mix of "It's happening on the 22nt, and we will decide what is happening sometime before then!"...

I set up a POS up a few weeks ago and managed to get 516 bpo's to 10/10 for patch :)...
Sadly 6 didnt make it.
Thanatos 10+/3, Charon 10+/2, Amarr egg 10+/3, Matar egg 10+/4, And a couple of cruddy POS prints (but I think they went from like 2 year jobs to 2 month jobs after the change, so no biggie!)...


The cap components are PE0 because I have been spending all this time doing ME. I wanted to stick them in for PE before the patch but I'm not sure if the time frame for completion will stay the same or change after Crius for BP's that are already researching.

I BLINK therefore I am broke...
sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#10 - 2014-07-18 17:41:14 UTC  |  Edited by: sci0gon
Charlie Nonoke wrote:
You are still correct, the levels will be 1-10 for BOTH ME and TE, the effects will be 10% / 20% for ME and TE respectively. I assume sci0gon was referring to the effects.

I can confirm this with SiSi changes. All my ME and PE 10 BPOs are changed to ME 10 and TE 10, with EFFECTS of 10% reduced mats, and 20% less time.


at the time of my posting I was referring to the bpos that I own changing research levels from me100+ pe10-100 to ME10PE20, I haven't been on sisi since that post but have been trying to do so to see if they've changed at all but been stuck gaining access thus far due to the issues

DeODokktor wrote:
CCP are keeping the test server down (I guess they dont want people to see the changes?)

Where this stings players is for those of us who dumped a TON of YEARS into ME, and didnt have time to get PE high as well.
Some prints are now a lot worse off too.
Outpost are horrible, the base egg bpo would have previously taken about 22 months for 10/10, now it's just shy of 8 years.
So 4x longer. Not only that, but the install cost on most BPO's will mean that It'll never be worth doing that 10th level.


firstly nice to see ya still around de0 :) saw you in local a few times but assumed you were most likely afk.

this is why I think its pretty much a big FU to the players both new and old, the older players know better and keep a eye on things like this while the newer players are more susceptible to being ripped off because they are not so vigilant and late on the ways of making profit, they don't research for themselves and always rely on others for details so lose out.

also regards to research, I did a months practice run to see what it was like and my findings led me to post this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4786092#post4786092

pricing is supposedly getting updated but personally I'm going to wait for ccp to deal with it before saying more on that subject