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We don't want it. We just don't want you to have it.

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El Space Mariachi
Zero Fun Allowed
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#41 - 2014-07-17 20:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: El Space Mariachi
Pans Exual wrote:
Meh.


same


(hi pans)
Interconnector wrote:
I'm not your friend, buddy!

So yeah, this was a hell of a lot of fun. Minus the 40b in cash we were going to get no matter what for being faggots, it was quite impressive to see a 60 man corp sit cloaked while watching 53b in assets get hauled out the front door. They may as well have just helped us haul it.


excuse me please change the word "faggots" to read "boysexual-americans" please it is very offensive word

t. gayman don

gay gamers for jesus

Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2014-07-17 20:30:55 UTC
Interconnector
Eos Rising
#43 - 2014-07-17 22:07:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Interconnector
Tegan Korzana wrote:
The universe is filled with problems (apparently including your own personal perspectives of right and wrong) – it is how we deal with them that defines us.


I like this quote.

Big mean bullies **** all over your pancakes and gave you some big problems. Now the question is, how are you going to deal with it? You're still a budding young pilot, there is potential there and I always enjoyed your enthusiasm for the game. It reminds me of back when I was new. The young ones are always so cute.

To better understand this, let's work through it.

Does:

Not liking certain members = Awox steal all ****?

No.

Being the isk faucet for a bunch of "farmers" to sponge off of = Awox steal all ****?

No.

Would be fun to make people cry and steal all their stuff?

No.

Like we've said before and apparently needs to be repeated to you. It was a combination of all those things, but far far far the most decisive one was, "IT WOULD BE FUN TO SEE IF WE CAN, LET'S TRY!". Really to even talk about anything outside of that is being dishonest. At least for me.

I know a lot of us put probably too much time and effort into what we do in Eve, myself included of course. It sucks to have it ripped away by people you trusted. Trust me, I know. Sorry for that mate. But Eve is what it is. Hate us all you want, we built our sandcastle and just happened to have to kick yours over in the process. Nothing personal.

Life experience as with skill points just come over time. You'll be over this soon enough and be back on doing your thing. Only this time you'll be a little wiser, and the corp you're in will most likely be stronger then before we left. (Hopefully)

I wish you the best of luck out there sir.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#44 - 2014-07-17 23:50:49 UTC
Kel hound wrote:
I'll just leave this here, to complete the story.


Oh, I wasn't going to link corp mails. I didn't know you wanted the whole story out there. Well, since you asked for it, here we gooooooooo!

Let's get started with your glorious leader's response to that mail you linked.

Then we'll get into the mails after we stole everything.

Quote:

Selling capitals in J103400
From: Paikis
Sent: 2014.07.15 09:42
To: [redacted]

Hi folks,

As discussed with Nuvia on comms, we've got a pile of capital hulls that we don't really want and we can't easily get to market. As such we are prepared to offer them back to you for 75% of the hull cost (rigs included for free). This means the following hulls are for sale for the following amounts:

Moros: 1.6 billion
Naglfar: 1.6 billion
Revelation: 1.6 billion
Phoenix: 1.4 billion

Archon: 900 million
Thanatos: 900 million

If we receive no response by downtime on tuesday 22/07 (Sydney local) then we self destruct and move out. If our tower is reinforced, we self destruct and move out. If we see SYJ, we self destruct and move out. We decided everything in that hole was dead before we took the first ship. It makes no difference to us.

We realise that you have no reason to trust us, but this offer is genuine.

Reply by EVE mail to Paikis and/or Interconnector please.

The ball is in your court.


And the response to that e-mail.

Quote:

One last appeal
From: Nuvia
Sent: 2014.07.15 21:47
To: [redacted]

Hey Paikis and Interconnector,

This may be a waste of time but I can but try.

Please return the ships to the Lycosa members.

I understand you’re not happy - people talked behind your back and that generates a lot of ill feeling

I can only appeal to your better nature as a person that is impacted as a by-product of the situation.

At this stage what is the difference to you both between a screenshot of the captured ships vs. blowing them up?

Please return the ships taken

You still have the ability to show mercy and people will remember that for far longer

Cheers,

Nuvia
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#45 - 2014-07-18 00:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Paikis
Tegan Korzana wrote:
I almost wasn’t going to post this but then decided to, even if for no other reason than to transcribe- for my own personal future reference- the opinions felt at this moment, should time erode the memory. (I will also attempt to keep this brief)

Tegan, dude, just stop. I don't know what part you think you played in all this, but you were a bit character at best. Your entire role was to donate a T3 to us and then explode nicely. Your mails begging for ISK were amusing though.

I had such high hopes for you. Right up until I saw your posts on Line, and heard your delicious tears on comms, I had planned to offer to let you join us. You were new to the WH life and kind of bumbling, but the whole cute newbie thing usually plays in your favour. Oh well.

Apollo Eros wrote:
Quick question. Being a veteran member of Surely You're Joking didn't you already know that you would not get a fight?

Also the word isk is used far to much.

#beardrama


Lycosa is a farming corp. I mean, we stole or destroyed everything they had in that hole, and they just sat cloaked and watched us do it. So yes, this is beardrama. But its still gold.

We were pretty sure there would be no fight. Lycosa wouldn't fight us and SYJ would bring a blob we couldn't fight. We also did our best to remove their ability to fight. Before anyone logged in, we had taken most of their ships, and we shot the SMAs as they were logging in. They had the ships they logged out in and nothing else for the first day. Most of the people logging in didn't even get to keep those ships.

No excuses for the second day though. They had 9 hours to get ships in while we slept.

Sitting cloaked while watching us haul your ships out is pathetic. We were squad warping up to 6 ships at a time to unscouted holes, then squad warping pods back, again with no scouting. We didn't lose anything. THAT is what should burn the most from this whole thing. The shame you should feel for not killing those pods. Especially since at least 3 of them had full slave sets in them.

One dictor, and you would have stopped us dead.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#46 - 2014-07-18 01:04:22 UTC
having been on the receiving end of this kind of action, I will say that the responsibility lies entirely with the CEO. It's the CEO's job to manage his corp members and their expectations and frictions. Its the CEo's job to remove Director roles from people who are not getting along with the other members/Directors or who don't fit in. I screwed up with BUGRY a few years back, we got fleeced 11B or so, and i personally made it up to the members out of my own wallet, because the responsibility ultimately fell on my deranged, mercurial shoulders.

That said, the other thing to point out here is that the game is set up this way. This is all a valid play style. You may feel betrayed by their actions, and you were, and you're free to express that emotion in tear-filled hatemails and forum whining. But you should also say "good game" and move on. 93 billion is a lot of money, but apparently Paikis can spend money quite swiftly by his own account, so it's not really like he's going to retire on his ill-gotten gains. The way I'd look at it is, he was just reclaiming the effort he put in to dragging the typical C5-C6 bear corp around by their noses making everyone else metric boatloads of ISK and getting less than his fair share of the loot split. If that annoys people in lycosa, you were getting overpaid for being lazy risk-averse scrooges who weren't willing to devote the 4-6 months training into flying a cap appropriately and earning your pay.

This also reminds me of last night's recruitment I attempted. Some scrublord from CO2 asks if BUGRY is going to ever move into C5-C6 space, and I reply no. This sorts out the bears from the PVPers; the PVPers are happy to sort their ISK supply out themselves and live wherever. The bears and lazy follower type scrubs want someone else to lead them to the land of milk and Escalations and find them glory like in that video that Hard Knocks / RnK / whoever poasted, that one month, and boy do they want to be part of that. just not yet, and can I please get enough ISk to pay for my PLEX and X-type hardened Tengus please?

Seriously, this reads like a manual for why C5-6 space is boring.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#47 - 2014-07-18 02:57:14 UTC
Kel hound wrote:


TL;DR - ya'll bitches gonna give me and my bud an extra share for the pleasure of our leadership.



Hahahahahaha. If they were running multiple accounts they were being really ******* nice about the isk. They were asking for a tiny bit more for 2-4 times the work depending how much effort they put into organising.


Not saying they were right for AWOXing. But complaining about someone doing twice the work and getting what an extra 10% or so is pathetic.
syndosis
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-07-18 04:04:30 UTC
I enjoy the banter, the different opinions and varied views of responsibility

It is as one post mention the way the game is built. Also as a post put it, It is CEO's responsibility.

Interestingly with the mail Kel quotes from, Paikis was in agreement to my frustration as pseudo CEO in that if a person, myself, Nox, Paikis or Inter did not get the sites going - they didnt get done.

The area I disagree with a few is that CEO is not responsible for providing content for his members or you as mentioned end up getting those that follow you from one isk feeding to another and do nothing for themselves.

Yes farming is boring and seen by many as childs play as far as a members progress in this game goes. However again, as AWOXing is a gaming style or route to take, so is farming. After having billions in your wallet, however most members will probably ask themselves - What am I farming isk for? Where will it go? Do I simply want to amass wealth for that sole purpose or pleasure?

I believe that a WH corp should really progress to become adequately skilled at PVP or at least willing to give it a go to hold any true cred or respect with other WH corps and perhaps most of EVE.

However to have 3-5 caps in a WH while you see a coordinated effort of 2 players and their 6 or so alts tearing your POS's apart, hardly makes you want o go yeah lets try beat them. Especially when you have no understanding of how to make a fight go your way as much as possible.

I have seen stupid gung-ho efforts in PVP in WH space before and all that results is yet another massive isk donation to BOB. This time a player actually got all the isk. - So be it.

We will endeavor to grow again, recruit members with the desired attitudes and keep trying to learn to PVP more effectively.

SO - Anyone looking for a PVP training role on a very small WH corp in the AU TZ? I cant promise you really good roles or awoxing chances but would LOVE to hear from anyone in our TZ who is happy to work with a bunch of Aussies and train us more. We will only be recruiting willing PVP'rs from now on so you wont have too many carebears to worry about.

Am I a carebear - YES. Do I want to stay a carebear? NO. Happy to chat to like minded Aussies

VISIT - Lycosa Public channel and say HI if you are interested.

Let the good times roll the flaming continue.
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2014-07-18 05:26:04 UTC
Dusette my sweetest ... its time for you please.

Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx

Winthorp
#50 - 2014-07-18 05:33:14 UTC
HerrBert wrote:
Dusette my sweetest ... its time for you please.


I agree, a Dusette girl can improve any thread.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#51 - 2014-07-18 09:19:33 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/ODSnImn.jpg

Evening Gentlemen. What you wish to talk about?

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Winthorp
#52 - 2014-07-18 09:28:51 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/ODSnImn.jpg

Evening Gentlemen. What you wish to talk about?



There is so much "buthurt" in this thread i would like to talk more about yours, do you moisturise, tan and wax it?
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2014-07-18 09:39:44 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
As Professor in Wormhole Politcs with a 2nd Masters in Diplomatic Negotiation, i would love to know your current inquire about the following scientific issue:

Heels with Yogapants on top of Scanning Proteus, is that possible to Photoshop?
Edit because seems cool: Flamethrower in the left hand and lawnmower in the right with Tanktop (Thanks Borsek)

Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx

Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2014-07-18 09:40:28 UTC
Combination of flamethrower and lawnmower.
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2014-07-18 10:07:06 UTC
Its very difficult for me to pick which side I feel less sympathy with...
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2014-07-18 10:11:32 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Its very difficult for me to pick which side I feel less sympathy with...



i would take the lawnmower side... he seems to have not as much of a blazing personality

Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx

Winthorp
#57 - 2014-07-18 10:14:46 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Its very difficult for me to pick which side I feel less sympathy with...


Dusettes left or right cheek?
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2014-07-18 10:16:48 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Its very difficult for me to pick which side I feel less sympathy with...


Dusettes left or right cheek?
which cheeks are we talking now? upstairs or downstairs?
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2014-07-18 10:24:26 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Its very difficult for me to pick which side I feel less sympathy with...


Dusettes left or right cheek?
which cheeks are we talking now? upstairs or downstairs?


Downunder

Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx

Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2014-07-18 10:28:18 UTC