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Mission's Negative Standing Transactions.

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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-07-13 22:03:43 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:


3. Let the offer expire without declining or accepting it.




I let storyline offers expire all the time and dont get any standings hit. How sure are you about this line? Granted I don't pay much attention to normal missions that I let expire but I have my doubts about this one regardless. Its the first I've ever seen it mentioned.

You can right click on the corp and faction standing in your standing tab and choose "TRANSACTION".
That opens an information window which lists the exact amount of points in ratios.

Yup, yup, and I've never seen it happen. I know for a fact I never take a faction hit. Could be a corp hit but I wont know for certain for another week.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-07-13 22:07:09 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Confirming the no standings hit for missions that you let expire (i.e. have not accepted.)


As for declining multiple missions per 4 hour block, the "trick" is to get your faction standings up high enough to run level 4 missions. For example, declining In the Midst of Deadspace cost me:
* Minmatar faction standing for -0.0105%,
* corp standing was hit for -2.1516%.
* agent standing was hit for -5.7375%

As long as your corp and agent standings don't hit -2.0 or lower you'll have access to the agent if you faction standings stay at 5.0+, thus letting you decline many mission per 4 hour block.

The downside is that it is a pain to get your faction standings up to 5.0 in the first place, and eventually you will need to mission for the "other side" to keep the enemy faction standings from going too low. (But the SoE epic arc helps with that.)


I'm not certain WHEN it happens, but at some point you actually want to stop doing storylines entirely because derived standing hits will get bigger than standing gains. Then you're left to the mercy of only the epic arcs :(
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-07-13 23:46:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Ok, so to summarise correctly, you get a standing hit if you:

1. Decline a mission twice in 4 hours for the same agent.

2. Fail to complete a mission after accepting it.

The standing hit is always to agent, corp and faction, regardless of whether it's a normal or storyline mission. Note that for storyline missions this may not be for the same corp as your normal mission agent.

Does that look correct to everyone?


Rephrased slightly, but in essence that was right.



Agreed.

Apparently the standing hit for expiring was removed about 5 years ago but I never noticed because I do not let them expire :D
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-07-16 23:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lar Tadaruwa
I can verify again, and let one expire, but I do get losses.
Also, the losses are not all for agents, corporations and factions.
Most are for agents and corporations.
Some are for all 3.

The same as or similarly to the positive bonuses.

I will be able to verify this, and make videos to confirm.
But don't take this as if it was written in a rock embedded in welded iron.
(...Besides, even those can be changed.)

I did however take screenshots and videos, and will be able to verify those as well.
Also, I wrote down data from an actual character losses in the first post.

Those definitely are the expired missions.
And I can guarantee you for over 15 trillions that they are not 5 years old mission.
Those were taken as of the listed date with less than 2 months.


Edit:
Even if I work in electronic warfare lies detection systems ingame and off.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#25 - 2014-07-17 11:56:04 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
I was at the point to get 2 PLEX to join a corp for gas mining and they don't answer.
It's always been like this.
The same as the game clients does (Not responding) and the Internet browsers (all of them).

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Edit:
I even spent over $100 to meet some of their requirements and it makes it too tiring to try to join them.
That would be worth over 6 PLEX or 4.2b ISK per instance.


You will never stop to amaze me with your economic approach and financial sacrifices you make for sake of playing this game. Honestly, I have to be in some other universe because I pay 10 euro/month sub cost and I never had to pay anybody to join their corp. My god, I admire your dedication.

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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#26 - 2014-07-17 15:20:12 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
I was at the point to get 2 PLEX to join a corp for gas mining and they don't answer.
It's always been like this.
The same as the game clients does (Not responding) and the Internet browsers (all of them).

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Edit:
I even spent over $100 to meet some of their requirements and it makes it too tiring to try to join them.
That would be worth over 6 PLEX or 4.2b ISK per instance.


You will never stop to amaze me with your economic approach and financial sacrifices you make for sake of playing this game. Honestly, I have to be in some other universe because I pay 10 euro/month sub cost and I never had to pay anybody to join their corp. My god, I admire your dedication.


Honestly, either English is his third or fourth language (in which case I would take everything he says with a grain of salt) or he is an alien robot or something, in which case he can just order his ship's computer to make more Earth money.

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#27 - 2014-07-17 16:04:56 UTC
We are not allowed to ask him about country he's from and he opposes any suggestions about English being not his first language. If you don't understand what he is writing about you will get accused of trying to trick him into some shady situations and jeopardize his and his family income, happiness and overall security. Believe me, I tried already :)

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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-07-17 17:13:38 UTC
Lar do you ever post your screenshots and videos?
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-07-17 22:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Lar Tadaruwa
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Lar do you ever post your screenshots and videos?

Yes, ty, and I keep them all too!!
Actually, I have to start to save them in other countries too...

The level of deliberate misinterpretation is exponentially increasing, very fast.


As for the corp offer mentionned, it turned out it was meant to test infiltration.
Little to do with Missioning if nothing at all.


The same kind of misinterpretation that would tell a judge that I am not in a relationship while engaged in marriage for 3 years.
Makes me want to change army.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#30 - 2014-07-17 22:39:36 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Lar do you ever post your screenshots and videos?

Yes, ty, and I keep them all too!!
Actually, I have to start to save them in other countries too...


Yep, everybody wants to get your screens and vids, nowhere is safe.

Lar Tadaruwa wrote:

The level of deliberate misinterpretation is exponentially increasing, very fast.


The only misinterpretation that happens takes place between your screen and your brain. Somehow everybody can understand what everybody else is saying except you and your threads.

Lar Tadaruwa wrote:

As for the corp offer mentionned, it turned out it was meant to test infiltration.
Little to do with Missioning if nothing at all.


Little to do with anything in Eve to be honest. If you paid RL money or even ISK to get into a corp you are, well... Again, somehow everybody else is able to find and get into corps without paying anything but you.

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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-07-17 22:44:28 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:

Yep, everybody wants to get your screens and vids, nowhere is safe.

No.

Schmata Bastanold wrote:

The only misinterpretation that happens takes place between your screen and your brain. Somehow everybody can understand what everybody else is saying except you and your threads.
That is what you say. That makes the misinterpretation harder to understand, and also makes it harder for me.
It is usually followed by comments of psychological warfare about it being hard to understand no matter how clear or easier to understand than others.

Schmata Bastanold wrote:

Little to do with anything in Eve to be honest. If you paid RL money or even ISK to get into a corp you are, well... Again, somehow everybody else is able to find and get into corps without paying anything but you.

Then let's see you do it.
There is good money in it for military reasons.
I can bet you will fail.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#32 - 2014-07-17 22:52:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
That is what you say. That makes the misinterpretation harder to understand, and also makes it harder for me.
It is usually followed by comments of psychological warfare about it being hard to understand no matter how clear or easier to understand than others.


Well, I would say I have no idea what that means but that only would mean I spread psychological warfare I guess. Or something...

Lar Tadaruwa wrote:

Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Little to do with anything in Eve to be honest. If you paid RL money or even ISK to get into a corp you are, well... Again, somehow everybody else is able to find and get into corps without paying anything but you.

Then let's see you do it.
There is good money in it for military reasons.
I can bet you will fail.


Let's see me doing what? And what money for what military reasons? What military? And I would fail what?
You want me to extort RL money from people in exchange for a promise of getting into my corp?

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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-07-17 22:58:06 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Let's see me doing what? And what money for what military reasons? What military? And I would fail what?
You want me to extort RL money from people in exchange for a promise of getting into my corp?

Let's see you infiltrate that corporation for free as you claim people in EVE do.
Let's see you take down their POS and capitals for free as you claim people in EVE do.

#2.
You mention that I want you to extort RL money from people in exchange for a promise of getting into your corp.
What you say is criminal.
Don't get me involved in any of your schemes or personal laws.

Needless to say, I would charge you for lying.

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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#34 - 2014-07-17 23:17:44 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
We are not allowed to ask him about country he's from and he opposes any suggestions about English being not his first language. If you don't understand what he is writing about you will get accused of trying to trick him into some shady situations and jeopardize his and his family income, happiness and overall security. Believe me, I tried already :)


So he actually is an alien robot? ****, I thought I was just joking!

Luckily he can't charge me with his robot powers, since I don't have personal laws. (Also I don't lie.) P
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2014-07-17 23:53:22 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
I can verify again, and let one expire, but I do get losses.
Also, the losses are not all for agents, corporations and factions.
Most are for agents and corporations.
Some are for all 3.


when you say expire.. do you mean a mission you accepted or a mission you have yet to accept? there is a huge difference there

I dont know why I post in a troll thread but..
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-07-18 00:32:35 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
I can verify again, and let one expire, but I do get losses.
Also, the losses are not all for agents, corporations and factions.
Most are for agents and corporations.
Some are for all 3.


when you say expire.. do you mean a mission you accepted or a mission you have yet to accept? there is a huge difference there

I dont know why I post in a troll thread but..

#1. The reason you don't know why you post in a troll thread is very simple, it's because it's not a troll thread.

#2.
The expiration is for an accepted mission, as otherwise, a mission that you have yet to accept is not called expiration.

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Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2014-07-18 00:54:18 UTC
you yourself said:

Quote:
Except that if you don't decline it within a week, and the offer expires, declining a second from the same agent within a 4 hour period gets you a standings hit.


So you yourself used the word expires on a non accepted mission. hence the question.

if you dont accept the mission, no standing hit to let it expire.

if you accept, you get a standing hit if it expires.
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-07-18 00:59:47 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
you yourself said:

Quote:
Except that if you don't decline it within a week, and the offer expires, declining a second from the same agent within a 4 hour period gets you a standings hit.


So you yourself used the word expires on a non accepted mission. hence the question.

if you dont accept the mission, no standing hit to let it expire.

if you accept, you get a standing hit if it expires.

The standing hits or losses were from accepted mission, which are recorded as failure if not completed successfully.
The same standing group of losses for another mission in that same group is for a mission that wasn't declined.
You can't rely on words, you have to get the actual data, or explain it more clearly.
The logic is there, it is easy to misinterpret it or change the meanings.

In the example above, you'd get 2 standing hits, although not both in the same 4 hours period .
2 is a numerical value which is greater than 1, and it can also include 1.
Your questioning of logic is rather besides the point.

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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-07-18 02:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lar Tadaruwa
What about even more negative when the program doesn't respond and makes you lose your mission?

What about when the forums don't respond due to browser malfunction.

You can't attribute that to user error.


If I had paid 17k in 1992 to detect this in 2014, I'd have won already back then and there.
And don't wait a minute before it's too late!


Edit:
Here is your video, proof of lag on one of the fastest system.

Edit 2:
Edit 2: I am going to check for the gas site in the tutorial (5 of 5)..
It gives good standing, and I have social V and connection IV.
That should propel me over the 3.0 barrier for all empire faction level 3 mission.
That is practically 1 level 3 security mission every 3 to 5 systems with over 20 corporations.
I bring a probe with bonuses, the mission skilled pilot and a new Prospect Industry V + more (with gas harvesters).

Edit 3:
The Imiscus pilot with the mission skill is at the acceleration gate for so long that he could use someone to clean his windows.

Edit 4:
On top of Mission Hi-jacking add and Corp. decoy for added negativity (just apply to so many corps that it just wastes your time to try).
That way, set up 10 corps, that members ask to join and waste their time trying , to twart their attempts and waste their time.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#40 - 2014-07-18 04:08:19 UTC
Sigh. We're still talking past one another.

Standings hits only happen for a mission that has been accepted, not just offered. If you have evidence to the contrary either post it or file a petition in game because it shouldn't work that way.