Wormholes

Alternate thread title: Surely You're Awoxing
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This is a long post. Deal with it.

This is the story of how 2 guys and their alts stole or destroyed everything a 60 man c6 wormhole corp owned inside their own hole, then moonwalked out with almost everything they stole. This never should have been possible, and but for having director level roles and the apathy and fear of PvP of the corp in question, it would have been stopped dead before it got started. This is not a failure of POS or Corp settings, this is a failure of corp security. That this was possible at all is not the fault of poor coding on CCP's part, but on the poor sod who gave me those roles.

Before I get started, just let me say that in spite of what I am about to say, Lycosa has some really great members. The three newest guys are all innocent of what I'm about to say, they took part in PvP and weren't around for most of the build-up. We only shot at them because they might ahve probes, and until the conversation on comms later, we had intended to let them join us. Shout out to Brownian Motion for being the only Lycosa (or SYJ for that matter) member who managed to do anything other than cost us ammunition in this betrayal. Cannon is awesome, Amra and Tyth are also really friendly, genuine people in spite of their absence. Nuvia deserves a shout-out for being a great guy too, as well as the only person who managed to remain calm when we got on comms afterwards. To the CEO that I'm going to talk about below, you're not a bad person, you're just way too good at passing blame and are a bad choice for CEO. Of the people remaining, I'd be tempted to give it to Nox, let him BE in charge, instead of simply trying to act like he is all the time.

Anyway, on with the back story.

In 2012, I was in Lycosa Syndicate for a 2.5 month period, where I went from complete wormhole n00b to FCing fleets. I moved out of the SYJ hole known as Bastion with a friend and we moved into J105822, a hole famously mentioned in one of Rooks and Kings' videos as the home of Guillotine Therapy. I think we moved in about 2 weeks after they left. There we learned how to make stupid amouts of ISK with a skeleton escalation fleet (2 carriers, 2 dreads, 1 loki, 1 booster), but it got boring and we logged in less and less. My friend took a break from EVE after we moved out of the hole and I derped around low sec on my own. I eventually ran out of ISK and decided to move back into the wormhole to solo c5 sites. I had been doing this for about 3 days when my static (which I had closed 3 hours previously, but apparently someone had opened) sent me a gift. Lycosa Syndicate showed up in local, called me bad (which is true) and offered to let me rejoin. I agreed because less money that I don't really need in exchange for someone to bullshit with on comms is a good trade. I joined and quickly became the guy who ran their fleets.

Lycosa uses a space communism method of sharing the loot from their site fleets. Each person present gets 1 share for each site that is ran. All sites are pooled and then the ISK is split per share. So the guy in a T2 fit target painting Legion gets the same pay as the guy multi-boxing first carrier, tagging, providing boosts and running 2 dreadnaughts. This would later become a sore point and ultimately provide part of the reason for this Awox/eviction. A month later, my friend came back to EVE and joined Lycosa again. We had more than half the capital fleet, as well as the ability to escalate by ourselves. We still provided fleets for Lycosa members, both site fleets and also PvP fleets (that were largely ignored). Our preffered method of escalating differed from the corp's chosen method and this caused some friction. We were also unhappy with doing all the work and still getting paid the same as the new guy with his rubbish T2 fit painting Legion that added nothing to the fleet. When I took a week off EVE to study for exams, we noticed that without me organising fleets, they simply didn't happen. In a c6 hole with 10-14 sites every single night I was gone, the corporation ran sites twice for a total of 5 sites out of more than 70 that could have been done. Noting that the only reason anything at all happened was because my fleets were up, I decided I was going to take a bigger share of the loot. I decreed that my site fleets would take no more than 2 Lokis, no legions and 6 dreadnaughts. New member's to the corp would be allowed to bring Legions/Lokis for their first month. My bigger share of the loot consisted of 1 extra share (so if we ran 6 sites with 4 people, I would have 7 shares out of 25 (7+6+6+6) or 28% of the loot) in fleets that I organised. This made several people angry. If I had known then what I do now, I would have taken double shares instead of one extra. It seems like no one cared about the amount extra, only that it was more than they got, if people were going to be mad anyways, why not take a more fitting portion?

The other major issue that lead to the burning of J103400 was corp activity and responses to same. The corp as a whole was a farming corp that would log in after I had set up everything, run sites with me in the evening, and then disappear into the ether before the salvage was even done. PvP roams would consist of me and my friend and no one else. Suggestions to spend a week in low sec with the Alliance that Lycosa was a member of in name only were met with crickets chirping. If we found PvP in the static, we could maybe russle up some support if people were online, but they would be slow (10 minutes on some occasions) to form up and often not on comms.

It was a pretty boring day for us after that. We already had all the loot we were going to get, we just spammed d-scan for hours and killed anything we caught logging in while we frantically hauled things out. SYJ says we were 2 jumps away from death at one point, but we didn't hear a thing from the Alliance until the following day. We rolled a few holes, shot people as we pleased and generally maintained hole control through what appeared to be complete apathy from Lycosa. I know they were watching all this, but we never saw their scouts until the next day. By down time (18 hours after we started) we had stolen everything, and hauled everything out except some T2 ships and almost a freighter worth of POS fuel. We went to bed and SYJ and Lycosa had 9 hours with free run of the hole.

Incidentaly, I think I broke my d-scan button. I can honestly say that with a few short breaks, I spammed d-scan at least once a minute for 18 hours straight, usually every 5 seconds. This paid off however, as most of the initial tackles were made by my alts, while my friend was busy doing most of the hauling. Mad props to him for that by the way.

I logged back in at 6am Sydney local time (down time +9 hours) and poked around. Noticed that a POS name that had been a small yesterday was now a large and went to investigate. On it was 6 shield hardeners and a single naut battery. I remember telling my friend of my suspicions that there was a huge T3 blob logged out there, but that I wouldn't be surprised if Lycosa had missed their opportunity to do anything about us. Turns out I was half right. There was a fleet logged off there, but it wasn't huge. We went back to hauling.

At some point during the morning, AHARM rolled into us. We noticed the new sig, then the probes and decided that we would crash the hole. We had already decided that the capital hulls were most likely going to be self-destructed anyway, so the Orcas were actually more valuable to us at that point. Difference between SDing an Archon and it getting shot? Who shows up on the kill mail. We warp everything to the hole and as it all enters warp, the scout on the other side yells in comms about a fleet. Crap, we're dead. oh well, at least kill the hole. We can get pilots back in, but that hole needs to die. We jump both orcas out and I see 5 T3s and a Thanatos on the hole. I jump my orca home and sinmply warp off to the POS. As it turns out, my friend who was flying the other Orca and Archon, had simply warped the Archon off the hole without jumping, and had jumped the orca out and back. At this point his power went out. I saw the Archon warp off as my Orca was leaving and then screamed on comms what was going on, obviously with no response. We lost an orca, and the pod e-warped away to safety. After this, we went back to hauling, still spamming d-scan like a boss.

A short while later, we saw a scan alt's probes on scan and watched the hole. He found it and jumped through. We put a dictor and 2 T3s on it, and started launching cans to decloak him. After a minute or so, we decided to put 2 orcas through the hole so we could crash it if we needed to, and also to force him back through into our trap. As our orcas entered warp, the T3 fleet I had been worried about being logged off at the too-obviously fail POS logged on. We figured the orcas were dead and warped everything else off as the Devoter was landing. I would like to get the SYJ fleet's perspective on this, because in spite of their fleet, we simply jumped the orcas and warped them off to low sec. No tackle, no shots fired, just walked out like we weren't flying giant space cows in a field of hungry wolves. We jumped on comms, where Pell Helix (head of SYJ Alliance) hurf-blurphed at us a bit, made some angry noises and then banned us from teamspeak. After this, the SYJ fleet simply logged off at the POS, mumbling something about 3am and a bag of dicks.

Nothing else notable happened after the SYJ fleet logged off, we hauled the remainder of the semi-valuable ships and POS fuel out, self destructed everything we weren't taking with us, unanchored the SMAs and CHA and then closed the hole behind our last Orca. We left a death star with a month's fuel, but it can't move, so Lycosa will probably be safe if they move back in. I want to point out that we actually self-destructed shuttles, in hind sight I have no idea why, but we certainly didn't want anything left behind. We don't want them, but we don't want you to ahve them. There was even a short discussion about unanchoring POS guns as well, just to deny the killmails... that quickly died when it became apparent that it would be more work.

SYJ killboard says ~20 billion in losses inflicted. ~33 billion in stolen ISK (14 Billion corp wallet, 19 billion stolen site loot), ~53billion in assets stolen.

Notable ships stolen: 1 Bhaalgorn, 1 Typhoon Fleet Issue, 1 orca, 44 Strategic Cruisers, 2 Revelations (SD), 2 Moros (SD), 1 Naglfar (SD), 3 Archons (SD), 1 Thanatos (SD). 200+ smaller ships that were either kept or self-destructed. We also managed to keep all of our own ships (exceptions: 1 Sabre, 1 Phoenix, 1 Naglfar, 1 Revelation, 1 Moros, 2 Archons, 1 Thanatos).

Conclusion: We stole about 93 billion in assets and ISK, destroyed about 20 billion worth of things we didn't steal, maintained complete hole control except for a nine hour period where we were offline for sleep and a one hour period where the SYJ "relief fleet" was camping our static. We got everything we wanted out (except the capital hulls, but we knew before we stole anything that we were most likely SDing those) and in exchange, SYJ killed a sabre and a pod worth 180 mil. Our biggest ISK lost was when I self destructed my carrier alt's pod instead of a ship. We also lost a (stolen) Orca to AHARM.

Loot pictures. (There are 4 of them)

Also (not shown above) there was 39,330,937,221.41 ISK in our corp wallet at the end. This includes stolen site loot, stolen corp wallet and self-destruction ISK from the capitals. This number should have been MUCH larger, but farming corp is bad at farming.

Hope you enjoyed the read (or died from the damage inflicted by my wall of text) and I have to ask if anyone is recruiting known Awoxers and corp thieves?

Cheers,

Paikis.

EDIT: I can honestly say that I never lied to any of my corp members. I repeatedly said during the last week that I had a plan to awox everyone and steal everything that wasn't bolted down then shoot the rest. I also said I was going to kill the CEO first. Turns out he was third, but I did get him. While we were stock piling loot, I also said openly on comms that I was stock piling it in order to steal it.

No untruths were told, and stating openly exactly what I was going to do and having people laugh along was absolutely hillarious.

send me 20bil tia

I'm not your friend, buddy!

So yeah, this was a hell of a lot of fun. Minus the 40b in cash we were going to get no matter what for being faggots, it was quite impressive to see a 60 man corp sit cloaked while watching 53b in assets get hauled out the front door. They may as well have just helped us haul it.

when "The story of this event begins..." is half way through your second maxed out post, you may want to look into summarizing.

It's not as funny when it happens to you. (Still funny though)

All ships hauled out, including personal went into corp hangars to be shipped/sold/split/organized later. I actually log myself on after home from work to find all roles stripped on my toons. Paikis stole all the cash and ships leaving me, like the rest of Lycosa, with only the initial money in my wallet.

I bow to you sir king of thieves. It was fun.

Isk comes and goes, good friends that you can depend on are much rarer as shown.

The bit that makes me sad is that you were given the chance to join us and have a good time. In your own words you were given the chance to lead and build the corp up and at the point where the going got even a bit tough you decided to quit. Instead of taking your stuff and leaving like a half decent/mature person you decided to throw a crybaby tantrum, throw your toys around and **** everyone else. You accuse others of their imperfect leadership and yet there you are with your proven track record behind you.


You wanted more isk for sites you organised and for putting a fleet together and you got it. Of course this would ruffle some feathers and yet you didn't know how to smooth them out. You ended up runnign around with Interconnector in and out and wonder why people started disliking you.


Ah well we really shouldn't have given you corp roles but hindsight is 20/20. Too bad you looked like someone dependable at some stage there.

And now it looks you decided to double cross Interconnector too. Guess the old saying about honour amongst thieves is true.

All the best mate. You'll need it.




As a commentary on the larger picture: oh well this is eve and this is why we all play this game.

On the issue of corp roles I still continue to believe that they are utterly broken. There is virtually no balance and checks system built into the roles to allow scrutiny and oversight in a timely matter. It doesn't who it is or who you give it to, it still leaves you vulnerable. Thanks CCP!

Let me take the blame for being the idiot who gave him the ability to do this.

And here are some simple statements, not 4 pages of them.

I gave him the role that enabled him to do it. Effectively I am CEO without title. As he mentioned long story - who cares.

We all lost billions.

We were stupid to trust someone to that degree, it wont happen again.

Poor leadership leads to frustration and in the end crappy results.

Leadng those that dont want to help corp is pushing a dead horse - it will also not happen again.

PVP is a fact of the game - it has to be learnt or you will get stuffed up more than if you dont learn it.

Its isk and ships, as people with lives it doesnt actually effect us in any significant long lasting way unless we let it.

Pixels come Pixels go - meh we will rebuild, learn from mistakes and have fun doing whatever we choose to do.

Paikis can make any accusation he likes. He whines it was all him, he had to do it all. Interestingly I once did what he is doing. Being the go to guy in corp that everyone turns to while no one else helps with organising opps etc is not fun and just makes a game a job. Nox also was in that spot and predictably no one helped, and he got to same point as I did.

Yes Paikis its a hard cruel life to be taken for granted. You poor little boy. Get over it. We have.

Yes we are poorer but happily this has sparked more co-operation beween members with a better flow of ideas on how to run the corp which has been desired for ages now but attempts were not successful.

Should I thank you Paikis, almost but not quite. you were in a position myself and others have been in within corps and instead of stealing all the crap, we chose to work out solutions.

Catch you on the flip side

did the reading. had a big "speech" about ethics...

but in the end i just picture you like this now