Wormholes

So Theres a "pool" of wormholes exclusive to a generator upgrade? So then it doesn't quite work how we believe and because they are already in existance somewhere they aren't coming and popping up in other systems that have that upgrade installed?

My intent is not to be offensive, but I don't believe CCP knows what would improve W-space in the eyes of those who live here. CCP and the players haven't seen eye-to-eye about W-space since it was released: their apparent intentions for W-space were thrown out the window shortly after we moved here. CCP has since left it alone, comparatively speaking, and I still say that's one of the best things they could have possibly done for W-space.

Instead of waving our hands and vaguely asking CCP to "improve things", we should make a list of changes, focused and detailed, that we would like them to make to improve life here. Something like what Corbexx is putting together.

agreed

Indeed. I've seen a lot of old-timer w-spacers and PvP junkies flat out saying they want discovery scanner removed entirely in w-space, or at least 0% sigs.

However, I spend a whole lot of time probing for my small w-space corp and frankly its about as fun as brushing your teeth with a machete. The probing mini-game gets old and repetitive awfully quick and that is putting it nicely. Now, having to have those probes out to do anything outside the POS shield without the discovery scanner function will probably drive me batty, or (more likely) it will drive folks like me to f*** all and bring my corp out to become null renters.

Already have to spam dscan to run sites, but then on top of that spamming the probe analyze button on your alt etc, it is really just crap gameplay (dscan spamming by itself is already crap gameplay).

A more elegant solution would be to get invading K162's to spawn and show up on discovery scanner only when someone has passed through, rather than spawning when someone warps to it (which favors PvErs too heavily). Or some variation along those lines. That would be more balanced and less of a headache to do what you can to protect yourself if you are "prey". Because lets face it, site runners will take every precaution to avoid losing ships, including the most face-melting boring/maddening things if it means fewer losses. So why make it a requirement to do face-melting boring/maddening stuff?

An alternative solution would be to remove 0% sigs in C4 - C6 and implement my suggested K162 spawn mechanic in C1 - C3. Yeah more programming time, but hey that way highsec indy corps can get their "feet wet" in a C1-C3 and spend less time probing and have a bit less danger in preparation to move to a C4 - C6 where "true w-space" lies. That would be better variety and satisfy more players.

They know about this and its something that i'll be bringing up at the summit so don't worry about that.

Cool Thank You Corbexx.

Gas sites (sans the two highest tier ones) and relics + datas are on opposite ends of scan difficulty spectrum, WH statics sit sorta in the middle. If gravs were made scannable, have them closer to gas than WH in that spectrum would keep it easy to identify what's what.

You know its pretty easy to tell them apart already right?.....

Easy fella. If you read my whole post you would see that I'm in favor of having changes made that would "make w-space harder" and tilt the balance more in favor of the gankers and predators, but without having the gameplay turn (back?) into "clicking two buttons over and over to stay safe"

It IS terrible gameplay, more along the lines of planetary interaction clickfesting than what I feel is necessary. In order to understand what I'm talking about you have to:

1) understand that I'm in a small corp that brings highsec noobs and introduces them to w-space (this is what everyone wants and is a good thing).

2) because w-space ratting is difficult even for pilots with 10 - 20 million SP, we need everyone to focus on tanking and DPS and be in the site shooting things. I'm the only one who has an alt on a separate account with probing skills. which means

3) I get to be in the site helping to kill sleepers, having to spam the dscan button and (if discovery scanner is totally removed) hitting the probe scanner "Analyze" button over and over and over and over again.

And this is for site values in what, the 10-20 million range for C1/C2's? Yeah. That would not be cool. Maybe I'm an isolated case, but I don't think so. This would be a problem for most smaller groups who cannot afford to delegate the "Analyze" spam to a dedicated player.

Well anyhow, there are better ways to implement K162's without resorting to that, and that's what I was trying to communicate in my earlier post. W-space should be harder in immersive and interesting ways, not annoying and repetitive ways.

I don't know if it is mentioned already but maybe we could have the wormhole effects under the system name just like in incusion and fw systems?
Should be relativly easy to do.
And is even what the design filosofie is , because at present you can't get that information from the ingame client.
Sure you can sometime see the effect thanks to the background but between c1-c6 the % -tage difference of the effects is not to be found in-game.
Maybe they can even add the class of the wormhole.
Sure for veterans that will not matter much but it will for new people!