Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If the goal is to spread people out more to maintain areas of sovereignty wouldn't it be better to have the sec rating scale the other way? The more people in system and the higher the indexes the higher the security rating...this would make players venture into the empty space for better bounties etc. Then the secure areas (alliance home systems) would become higher sec system and this would fit with S&I activities (it makes no sense for S&I to be better in a warzone...). Of course taxes would go to the sov owner rather than the empires / CONCORD.

Excuse me whilst I wrap myself in foil so that I roast nicely in the incoming flames...

Actually I'd think they would do more to get empire friendly capsuleers onside. Planetary Governershps, make them CONCORD agents (much like making gunslingers deputies in the Wild West), that sort of thing. The only thing that would save the empires from capsuleers from null would be hisec Privateers.

Jump bridges probably need to go, but that is not enough. We also need adjustments to the Eve map.

Before my corporation moved to Delve, we were in Tenal. Our closest hostiles were across the regional boundary in Cobalt Edge. We could not hot drop them from our secure areas in Tenal. They could not hot drop us from their secure bases in Cobalt Edge. Even though it was only one gate jump from SF- to HB-, it took something like 7 jumps to move a carrier between those two systems. This made it a wonderful boundary. We roamed across that border into their space, they roamed across the border into our space. If we wanted to do a Black Ops drop on them, we at least had to sneak into their region to do that. If someone from their side wanted to AFK cloak all day in our best ratting systems, it wasn't that big a deal - we knew they couldn't bridge a gank fleet on to us without us completely losing track of all the little corners in our region. This encouraged us to keep tabs on what was going on in our space. The small gang stuff was great, until we accidentally crushed IRC. Then it took a while to get new active roamers over there - but once they got there we all had fun.

I think Eve needs more regional boundaries like that - ones that cannot be jumped across by any capital or super capital ship. Other places it would be good if Jump Drive Calibration V carriers could jump across, but super capitals could not. It might also be a good thing to allow capitals (but not super capitals) to take certain gates.

As you got further away from the high sec core, the distance between constellations would get slightly larger. Additionally, the distance between systems should be slightly increased. Just make it slightly harder to jump from one side of a region to another.

The inter and intra region connectors should also be considered. All too often Eve regions have a central pipe that is easily camped. Make it so that there are more ways around some of the choke points.

If super capitals could not jump from one region to another as easily, it might be easier for smaller entities to hold on to a small, remote place once they got a toe hold there. Yes, it would also be easier for the established defenders to hold the space, but they could not hold as much. People would have to make the choice as to where they want to concentrate. If an established bloc wants to put 200 super carriers into Deklein, they probably won't ever lose it, but they will have a harder time controlling Branch, Tribute, Fountain, etc.

If it is harder for you to get curb-stomped, then you give renters an incentive to become more independent.

Additionally, on a regional level, the reduced risk from hostile super capitals could make it more likely that they actually get used in small numbers - making them more vulnerable to sub capital gangs.

Now, over time, what could happen is that the major blocs have 200 super carriers in each region they control. So, we accompany that with a major nerf to super capitals. First, get rid of the electronic warfare immunity. That was a pants-on-head stupid decision. Then nerf them down so that super carriers are roughly 2x the EHP of a carrier (or whatever number works). Leave the price alone. Titans get nerfed down to where they are roughly 2x the EHP of a dread (or whatever number works). Basically, super carriers to carriers and Titans to dreadnoughts is the same as HACs to T1 cruisers. Like everything else in Eve, you get something that is marginally better, but the costs are exponentially higher. As it is, super carriers and Titans are exponentially better to match the exponential price tag.

Obviously, this would also change logistics. Logistics across different regions would require more risk, because more ships would have to take some gates. Those choke points would be ideal conflict generators - or force people to live and build in their region. Regional logistics would become more dependent on locally produced minerals and fuels. Producing local materials gets easier because it is harder for the random AFK cloaker to hot drop you from far away.

In conjunction with this change, I'd recommend that jump fuel for all capitals become a separate item from racial isotopes. Instead, jump fuel would be a standardized commodity that could be produced from any regional ice. Or, add different kinds of ice to each belt in each region, while keeping the overall amount the same.

And, while we are messing with the map, add a low security belt around each empire. Make it so it is harder to haul everything to Jita in a freighter and you will have four distinct regions with their own market hubs.

Don't let jump freighters jump straight from high sec to a cyno. Make them take at least one gate or WH to get out of high sec.

Then stick NPC 0.0 or low sec constellations in between sovereign space as buffer regions. Each 0.0 region should become sovereign space, so someone could get sovereignty in Venal for instance. But groups that want to harass the sovereign entities could work the space between to harass logistics or lead roaming gangs into the sovereign space. By the same token, since there are no NPC stations in the middle of a region, it becomes harder for NPC 0.0 based groups to hot drop from the safety of an NPC station. They can hit the edges of each region, but they have to get away from the safe space to get deep inside of it. By the same token, if a sovereign capital fleet tries to move from one region to another, they can be harassment bubbled by anyone in that station system if they try to use the station as a jump point.

That's a lot of thoughts that I have been kicking around the past few weeks. Interested to hear your feedback.

This is true.


This is not.
"John is hay" doesnt mean "hay is John".
Logics, use it.


If this is a problem for you - why dont you join the third coallition? Or the forth? Or create a fifth? Or at least urge that someone should create it for you to join?
Why the hell instead of doing something, you just go to forums and start ranting and whining.
Oh CCP!
Oh please!
Break those dudes apart!
That's just pathetic.
And dishonest.
Those dudes want to be together. They like each other. They enjoy flying back to back in one fleet. And you want to cruelly break that harmony with CCP's hands. Why?

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All Math i provide are just ideas, mostly i just made them up so you have Math Examples.
I am sorry if my capitalizing irritates you, bad habit from the german language writing. (Germans not only capitalize Names, but also all Substantives.)

Jump Drives should be unaffected, at least for Blops, JFs, Carriers, Dreads and Rorquals, SuperCaps should experience an increase in fuel consumption and Super Carriers a range drop to be head on with Blops and Titans.

Caps shouldn't use stargates, its ok like how it is now

No need for JF bubble immunity and warp core strengh changes

The alchemy idea is not bad at all

Leave Military and Industry level mechanics as they are, but change strategic level mechanics to a mechanic where a System can only level up strategic when its actually used.

Suggestion: Strategic Level = (Military + Idustry) /2, if the quotient is a deciaml number, its always rounded down.
Example: Mil level 3 + indu level 3 = 6/2 = Strat Level 3
Example 2: Mil level 5, Indu level 2 = 7/2 = 3.5 = Start Level 3

Since you are not only ratting and mining there should be another way to level up strategic.

Suggestion 2: x = jumps in the last 24 hrs * 100 / 25 || √x = >35 = 0,5 Strat Level cumulative (if √x = >70 = +1 Strat Level)
Example: AB-CDE had 327 Jumps between the last two downtimes
327 * 100 = 32700 / 25 = √1308 = 36,166[...] = System gains 0,5 Strat Level

You can only place an IHub if the Strat level is 1 or higher, if it decreases to 0 with an IHub inside, after Next DT it switches to Anchored mode and the IHub can be killed without RF, if Strat level reaches 1 again, i can be onlined manually.
If the IHub drops under the needed Strat level for certain upgrades (like Cyno Jammers) they stop working right after the next DT.

Also a like on Sov cost modifiers. Unused Sov or "Colonial" Sov costs more
I also have an Idea for that one, i didnt think about it too much because i just got it while writing this:
Adding some sort of Home System/Constellation/Region to the Alliances Executor Corp, all Sov within theese borders has a cost modifier (of -50%)
- Systemwide is added automatically at skill Empire Control 5
- Constellational is added automatically at skill Sov 3
- Regional is added automatically at skill Sov 5
Home Sys/const/Region gets a Bonus of 100% to the Strat Level Modifier of Jumps between the DTs.

I would also like to introduce more modifiers (only small ones: 2,5%; maybe 4% max):
Sov Costs, Bountys, Refinery Yield, POS Fuel consumption, LP, Mission Rewards
The System/Constellation/Region used is the one where the Executor Corps HQ is set.

The ideas on modifiers for Home Sys/const/Region could also be added to HighSec/LowSec/FW and NPC Null Corps and Alliances.
Highsec: Charters, Industry Job install, (bountys, LP, Mission reward?) refining yield - (2,5%)
Lowsec: POS Fuel, Industry Jobs, bountys, LP, mission reward, refining yield, office rental fees (3,5%)
FW: LP Output, industry jobs, refining yield (3,5%)
NPC Null: POS Fuel, industry jobs, bountys, LP, mission rewards, refining yield, office rental fees (4%)

Also a like from me for the Idea with the RF and HP modifiers, but i would line it up with the Strategic Sov level Idea.
Strategic Level modifies the RF timers and structure resistances by 5% Each level:
0 = -10% RF Time; -10% Resistance
1 = -5% RF Time; -5% Resistances
2 = Current Level
3 = +5%....
... and so on

I don't apprechiate the Idea of destroying Stations, but honestly, i have no idea if there has to be a change...if i had to - the only one that jumps in my mind right now is a 24-48 hour deadzone timer after flipping, but that makes sov tanking even more to a test of patience

That Idea of hacking stuff....i dont know if i should like it, because i can be an annyoing cloaky neut *** then or if i should hate it, because all cloaky neuts become even more annyoing ****

Ores need to be rebalanced somehow in null, the permanent shortage of mexallon and the senselessness to import it due to fuel pices and the actual obsolescence of Meta 0 425mm Rails after cruis are not good for the economy.

Deathclone changes are in my opinion needed, but i would rather cap the number ofices or increase wakeup station costs by the distance its away (1 mil per lightyear?)

What you described can be easily facilitated by lore, as certain anomalies do exist on the New Eden map ( E.G. Black Rise, Trace Cosmos, Vapor Sea) that are impossible to navigate. While cynosural navigation bypasses the requirements that jump gates have, this doesn't mean that it is not susceptible to interference.

Presence of such areas could be used to provide limitations to power projection across certain areas in a lore-friendly manner without the need of a major map rearrangement. The only thing it needs is a clear way to display such forbidding regions.

And its lore-friendly and all :)

I see it as one of those old maps, with illustrations of sea serpents and krakens and giant whirpools.

It greatly depends on the manner of work required. If CCP was to implement activity based sov control it would force the big blocs to have multiple divisions of people in varying areas all working at keeping sov contention high (similar to FW contention).

This would mean instead of having blobs fighting blobs once or twice every few months you would have fleets fighting fleets more frequently that could escalate into large conflicts.

If you were required to be active in holding systems (lets say the metrics tracked during the Gekko Contest) you would see something like this.

Fleet A responsible for [Region]
Wing 1 Responsible for [Constellation]
Squad 1 Responsible for [System]
(etc)

So lets say a big enemy is scouted en route to said region. Squads would form up to wings, and wings would for into the fleet within the region. Should the need arise, neighboring Fleets in other Regions could begin to form up as support fleets.

With the increase in PVE activity you would have an increase in PVP activity in order to defend or assault.

The level of work is relatively unchanged, the only change is the ease of retention. You could go around an take all the space you want, using makes it harder for enemies to flip it back. So you either defend constantly by using the space for PVE/PVP or you choose to sit in staging system and wait for Jabber to say ok we lost these systems last night, lets go flip them back.

EvE would be the best example where losing is just as much fun as winning. And also where winning can also not be fun a significant portion of the time. (F1 was bad, then came Drone Assist)

Also your example needs work. How about this: All lesbians are homosexual, but not all homosexuals are lesbians.... I like lesbians ;)

I explained why this is a problem in general, not just for me. But i guess you weren't able to comprehend it. Maybe you should reread what i said assuming a small paragraph isn't in the TLDR category for you. The truth is, there's no way for another coalition to be formed with the current mechanics. The 2 remaining blocs are comprised of almost ALL of the previous coalitions combined. They have the power to stamp out any new groups that try to emerge as well as the most recently crushed 3rd bloc comprised of not new groups of players.

This is why we are here! Because this is the problem.

Indeed, I cannot comprehend what is "problem in general".
If this is the problem for you - go and do something about it. And by "something" I dont mean ranting.
If it doesnt concern you - keep having a good time in EVE, why whould you bother?


And I want to be a part of that impossible coalition, and laugh in the face of likes of you when we crush our enemies.
That is a challenge, I know. But I like challenges, they are the reasons I play EVE.
I dont want CCP to stand on my way.

Every day i learn that players from Polish community ( alliances across the whole universe ) just have enough of this nonsense , and going to other games.

Now i'm just waiting to see if the failure of newest expansion will persuade CCP do actually do something within next 2-3 months , before doing the same.

Yes at first - new industry will make spike of players that will reactivate, just to check what's new , but i don't believe that this will put any thing positive to game.

Reason is simple.

PVE/PVP
1 account = max 1 ship on grid.

Industry
1 account max:
Trade : 3x 300 orders
Manufacturing : 3x 11 production lines
Research : 3x 11 lab operations

Just to compare impact :
Player can put 1 ship per account or/and run at max skills (900 trade orders , 33 manufacturing and 33 laboratory operations)

So every thing that CCP will do for a pilot sitting in a ship is from 33 to 900 times more important than for industry people.
I don't have any thing against people that actually do industry , but like in the life.
Whatever they produce, someone have to buy this , and current CCP approach allowed CCP to gain 20 thousand active players since 2008 and then loose those players.

Why people already stated this for last years what is the reason , this topic is the best example what is NOT wrong as intended in eve. What is the reason that after each spike we have bigger downfall of players.

Yes it will be probably fun producing now, it will be so shiny , but there is less active people in this game - who will buy what you produce?