Player Features and Ideas Discussion

separating the 4 empires with low sec will just lead to people gate camping obvious high-low gates and popping the odd blockade runner and/or jump freighter.

the cost of hauling **** back and forth between the hubs will just add a premium to everything since certain minerals are now exclusive to these newly formed high sec islands, and logistics costs will have increased.

meanwhile, everyone who isn't a hauler or gate camper gives exactly 0 *****.

I see you don't understand the meaning of Supply and Demand. The law of supply and demand says the price of a good will vary until the demand at a certain price will equal the quantity supplied by producers at that price. The law of supply and demand has only to do with the price of a product. It has nothing to do with population/migration trends. Any movement trends attributed to it are speculative and opinion based only.

So your assertion is that "demand" will move to Jita.

OK, then answer this. Which group of players has the largest impact on demand? And where do these players generally base out of?

*Here's a hint, High sec mission runners and miners probably don't incur enough losses to drive any significant portion of demand.


Where there are gate camps near high sec, there will be people to come bust up the gate camps in the name of "gud fights". If gate camps were more common and accessible, there'd definitely be a rise in gate camp busting. Which would put a fair amount of risk on the gate campers themselves.

And what is this "cost of hauling"? It's the amount of money someone makes for taking the risk of moving something from one place to another. This is a great thing. Hauling would then not only be more dynamic but much more lucrative too.

Yes these are some of the positive points to this change.


I'm not sure what numbers you'd love to see... Stuff that moves through hostile areas? Ok...

100% of Moon Goo travels through hostile territory. 100% of tech III materials travels through hostile territory. 100% of pirate ships, modules and bpcs (excluding SOE) travel through hostile territory. A large % of high end minerals travel through hostile territory.

In fact if the empires were split, do you think entities in the south are going to make a cyno chain around amarr and gallente space to get their stuff to Jita? Do you think they'll travel to Amarr manual or auto pilot across then cross Low Sec just to get to Jita? Or will they even further perpetuate Amarr by buying and selling there instead of putting forth the massive effort to get to Jita?

What seems more reasonable?

What about establishing a neutral zone around each of the Empire space boundaries? In order to pass through each Neutral System Gate you would have to meet a satisfactory standing with the local agent that would give you missions in either empire space or another low sector non-neutral zone system.

Once you would reach lets say a 2.0 standing with the agent they would give you a pass key that would unlock each gate to travel through neutral zone space to low sector and null space.

Once you unlocked the route into low or null space you would never have to use the gate key again and those systems would be open to you permanently.

I like the idea, it would mix things up again.

Supported.

I like this idea

The Empires are in a sort of Cold War, only occasionally breaking out into fighting, and that kept covered up. Usually it's a proxy war using deniable assets (us cap pilots) rather than open war.

Maybe if Low sec was changed so that gate camps were impossible it could be a thing.

What is the hardon for lowsec lately? First faction warfare, then increased wormholes in Lowsec, now this idea?

Case in point, lowsec is for nullsec PVP wannabes who are afraid of interdiction spheres and highsec market carebears who set up sell order traps to lure new players into gank traps.

I had, and never will have desire to go to lowsec. Maybe if lowsec PVP didn't involve docking your security status, I might venture out more often, but I keep to Nullsec for any of that.

If this is implimented, trade will literally come to a halt. Marmite will have every direct and indirect path in lowsec camped. Freighters will be useless, jump freighters will be worth tens of billions, and cyno traps will become a nusiance. New players making a living on T1 haulers moving stuff from Jita to Dodixie or wherever will just have more barriers to overcome, and would just put another gauntlet on EVE life for rookies.

Maybe if there was a 5 system diameter NKZ around starter systems, and more education on how to stay safe in lowsec, this could possibly work. But I doubt it.

I believe you have it backwards, nullsec is for lowsec PvP wannabes. Lowsec people tend to have the opposite reaction to people entering local as most sov residents.

I rather like this idea. +1