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[ISODE] Values & Institutions: A Call for Restoration
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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2014-07-16 03:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayallah
Bryen Verrisai wrote:


I could again list many responses as to why you are wrong about the continuation about Gallentan financial support, how it is perceived both by me and the Republic as a whole, your cherry picking of examples to support your attacks, the unprompted nature of the attacks and a million other things.

However, you have made it very clear discourse is not your goal. Particularly in your seemingly unfaltering prejudice and boundless ignorance about my people enhanced only by the toxicity of your every interaction.

Let me put it in more simple terms:
You are not my kin, I owe you no explanations nor will I be giving more, and I am glad that your government is democratic.

So that your voice can be drowned out in the trillions.

edit: to anyone else who has read this far, please do your own research.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-07-16 04:00:38 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
the unprompted nature of the attacks

Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence.

Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that.

The Gallente have a very old proverb which I feel is quite suited to this occasion: Vous ne voulez pas, ne pas démarrer.

The most popular modern translation of the saying is that of the Mannar musical artist Fiddy ISKy: "Don't want none, don't start none."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#43 - 2014-07-16 04:18:37 UTC
Who do I call to order a jump freighter full of popcorn?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-07-16 04:30:31 UTC
No matter how many times you insist Byran, I continue to not be Elder Kyllsa

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-07-16 04:35:09 UTC
I never said you were. I simply wished to establish where the chain of cross-cultural criticism began.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#46 - 2014-07-16 04:39:23 UTC
Bryen Verrisai wrote:
I never said you were. I simply wished to establish where the chain of cross-cultural criticism began.

Right here.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#47 - 2014-07-16 04:48:04 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Bryen Verrisai wrote:
I also take umbrage with your accusations against the Amarrians. In the entirety of the Federation-Empire relations, they have proven nothing but trustworthy and honorable in their dealings. Do they have some cultural issues that need working out? Sure. Is their alliance with the Caldari a friendship barrier? Kinda.

But in a world full of volatile foes and treacherous friends, it's nice to have an enemy you can trust.


It's totally hilarious but we say much the same thing about the Matari. Nice bunch of people, admirable in many ways, if only they weren't friends with the Home-stealing warmongers in green.


In the interests of our newfound spirit of trade and maybe even peace, I'm sure we can arrange a swap. Bryen can have the slaver Empire if we get the Republic and their brilliant engineers in return.

If you want to know who started the "attacks", I'm pretty sure I fired the first shots in this thread so Bryen may want to get his threat detection software updated or maybe just admit to an unhealthy animosity towards his allies.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-07-16 05:02:05 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
If you want to know who started the "attacks", I'm pretty sure I fired the first shots in this thread so Bryen may want to get his threat detection software updated or maybe just admit to an unhealthy animosity towards his allies.

You're Caldari. It's expected that you'll show up in any given thread featuring a Gallente subject and try to stir the pot. After a while one just tends to tune it out.

My apologies if you feel you've been slighted and denied recognition for your initial diatribe, it was not my intention.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2014-07-16 15:10:03 UTC
Bryen Verrisai wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
If you want to know who started the "attacks", I'm pretty sure I fired the first shots in this thread so Bryen may want to get his threat detection software updated or maybe just admit to an unhealthy animosity towards his allies.

You're Caldari. It's expected that you'll show up in any given thread featuring a Gallente subject and try to stir the pot. After a while one just tends to tune it out.

My apologies if you feel you've been slighted and denied recognition for your initial diatribe, it was not my intention.


You're doing pretty well, so far, pal. You've managed to target the Caldari and Amarr - which for a certain type of Gallente patriot is sort of par for the course - whilst reserving your heaviest fire for your so-called Ally. You should consider a ringing denunciation of the pirate factions, followed by a scathing attack on the Khanid Kingdom. That would leave only the nullsec alliances!

Don't forget to tell those Mannar, Intaki and Jin-Mei EXACTLY what you think of 'em!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Ollie Rundle
#50 - 2014-07-16 15:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ollie Rundle
To return to the intent of the original posting (and in so doing try to nullify the sterling job of derailment begun in earnest by the irrepressible Ms. Siikanen):

Presuming this petition gains enough traction to push the Senate towards removing the offending legislature what are your thoughts for how they should determine citizenship (and thereby right to vote) within the contested systems of Placid, Msr. Thiesant? Will reinstating the right of Placid citizens to vote while your so-called 'Forever War' continues not potentially open the gate for an escalation of fear-mongering and conflict driven by political bodies and lobbyists with the most to lose?
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#51 - 2014-07-16 16:08:53 UTC
I'll also put forward my viewpoint on the original topic for this discussion. Every effort should be made to ensure the participation of all Federation citizens in future elections. Those of us fighting at the front do so for many reasons, but we are all united in support of the Federation and it's democratic values.

Thankfully the strategic situation is much changed from the early days of complete State occupation of Gallente border systems. United FDU aligned forces have reclaimed the vast majority of our territory and have maintained our stronghold systems longer than any other entities in the Warzone. This stability should encourage the relaxation of the type of fearmongering that led to tragic disenfranchisement in the past.
Anslo
Scope Works
#52 - 2014-07-16 16:21:46 UTC
Does someone wanna give me an executive summary of what everyone's getting upset about? Is this all about voting rights in an every changing warzone or?...

And no I can't be arsed to read through every ******* post in here because most of it is hot air and Grr Gallente Grr Caldari Grr every other ******* government you can think of.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#53 - 2014-07-16 16:32:34 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Does someone wanna give me an executive summary of what everyone's getting upset about? Is this all about voting rights in an every changing warzone or?...

And no I can't be arsed to read through every ******* post in here because most of it is hot air and Grr Gallente Grr Caldari Grr every other ******* government you can think of.

Summary: people said things, other people disagreed. Followed by "Grrr your politics" stuff and misrepresentations of political figures and events. And that brings us to the present moment.....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Anslo
Scope Works
#54 - 2014-07-16 16:34:19 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Does someone wanna give me an executive summary of what everyone's getting upset about? Is this all about voting rights in an every changing warzone or?...

And no I can't be arsed to read through every ******* post in here because most of it is hot air and Grr Gallente Grr Caldari Grr every other ******* government you can think of.

Summary: people said things, other people disagreed. Followed by "Grrr your politics" stuff and misrepresentations of political figures and events. And that brings us to the present moment.....


OK so it's basically more of the same then? Got it. Thanks Claudia! You're blunt as hell and I appreciate it!

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#55 - 2014-07-16 16:52:09 UTC
Anytime.

o7

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#56 - 2014-07-16 17:14:13 UTC
Definitely more of the same. Not sure what motivates the derisive attitude towards Gallente Democracy in a discussion of Gallente internal affairs. I can understand and sympathize with those Minmatar (a clear majority, it's been established) who felt our style of free society wasn't for them and felt the First Republic was an imposition. Now that the Tribes have been returned to supremacy, what's the benefit of antagonism?

I say good on the Matari people. You are our brothers and sisters. We are proud to see you choose your own path, even when it parts from ours in the journey it can lead to the destination we both seek for ourselves.

Such words are in the end only words. True brotherhood is in shared sacrifice. One need only look to the battlefield reports from Huola to see that a great many Galllente still honor our commitment to Matari freedom.
Anslo
Scope Works
#57 - 2014-07-16 17:18:20 UTC
Minmatar are just good folk, plain and simple. At least here in Huola. By the way, Rin....get back here with everyone ASAP.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#58 - 2014-07-16 17:43:07 UTC
Ah, Democracy, the decayed illusion of freedom of choice. Opiate for the masses.

You would do well to remember that it is not who votes that counts. It's who counts the votes.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed
Rui-Shun Lui
#59 - 2014-07-16 18:34:01 UTC
If memory serves, millions of Placid inhabitants attempted to petition the Senate in YC 107 for equal access to the freedoms (read: rights) available elsewhere in the Federation. CONCORD's response was that there was no mandate for elevated involvement from member agencies in regional affairs, and that such enhancement of citizens' well-being would prove detrimental to commerce. Our government capitulated to their dictate.

To the honorable seigneur: If you feel in the current political climate, where moneyed interests are more deeply-entrenched than ever, that this is the right time to demand a reversal of that tack, I wish you all the luck the gods will grant.

I do not expect you to succeed.
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#60 - 2014-07-16 22:26:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyllsa Siikanen
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
Ayallah wrote:
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

This 'silly nonsense' is the one that democratically elected the fantastic and much missed Karin Midular, yes? Alongside many other respectable republican democrats. She may not have been a Shakorite 'Sanmatar', but she was one damn fine leader in my books.
Actually trusting your citizens and believing in their better character is worth something sometimes, you know.


It is considered very unkind to use the names of the dead to gain traction in an argument. In my past dealings with you, you have been reasonable so I am going to assume you are being reasonable now and any offense is unintentional despite the tone of your writing and the grave mistake in whom you are addressing, a Clan Chief of the Sebiestor Tribe .

I will do my best to explain:


That was a damn fine treatise for someone who, as far as I'm aware, isn't one of the few who leads this 'dictatorship of the few who are apparently simultaneously the masses' that has come in to power. I appreciate the depth, and it is funnily enough much more respectful to debate and relatively relevant to the subject then the barbs that we got from a Clan Chief of the Sebiestor Tribe. Respect goes two ways. Apparently we're allowed to call the system that has built the most tolerant, most diverse, most economically strong nation 'nonsense' fueled by drug addicts but accept wholeheartedly that a chosen few can determine the lives of millions (after a few months of operation under unusual circumstances).


Tell me again in one breath how you built the most tolerant nation in the cluster, and in the next invoke the name of my murdered Chief. Was it a mighty display of this "tolerance" which killed her, hmm?

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis