Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Quit being absolutly ******** people who pay with plex actully pay more real life money for eve to CCP than thoes who buy subs because plex cost more than subs.

If we truly do not want to dictate how others play, and we also do not want them to get rewards based without effort, then balancing the opportunity is the logical response.

Give everyone free out of game skill queue control.

Now, this won't hand anyone free skill books, or inject anything skill based not already present.
People always have needed to log into the game to perform new skill introductions on that level. That would not change.

But, whether you feel an obsessive need to see the game launcher cycle, or you simply have no play opportunity, you still are PAYING CCP for the ability to at least cycle your skills which are at least injected.

Why should you care whether another player logs into a character through the launcher or the EVE gate? They were not going to undock and play with you either way, without the opportunity to play already existing.

Stop pretending people are playing because they logged in to bump a skill.
Those people logged in to play in the first place, they just happened to have the opportunity to bump the skill.
Some players do NOT have your free time, but are still willing to pay CCP because they hope to have that time eventually.

The absence of an external queue only blocks one type of player: Those who would support the game by paying for it, but cannot otherwise play right now.
Stop punishing them, and CCP, by telling them to go away.

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I completely agree with the OP, but I would be up for any kind of adjustment. I travel a lot, and occasionally don't have good internet. Hell, sometimes I am stuck on some damn third world cellphone data plan and have limited bandwidth as well. To top it off, it never fails that when I do get a chance to hop on there is a huge patch to download first, that inevitably takes longer than the skill update. My personal preference would be for it to select a skill at random when you run out, could swap it out later.

Regardless of my personal feelings on the matter ( I wouldn't say no to a slightly longer queue - say 72 hours), there are two facts that will continue to conspire to insure we never see it happen.

1. Unless we get a "Skill queue for my entire subscription time", it won't be long enough for some people. 30 days? Pfft. I routinely sub for 6 months at a time to get the price break. So my queue should be 180 days long, right? But why should I get more database table space than someone else? Because don't forget, that's what the queue is - the visual representation of your entries in a table in the Eve O database - and while disk is cheap, it ain't free, and CCP has some 500k subscribed accounts, which means that table has to be able to reserve enough space for all of them.
Though, in all honesty, this is a secondary reason

2. The daily Player Login Count. Good, bad, right or wrong, this is a metric of game activity, and it's one that can be easily understood by investors. Saying "We had over 100,000 people log in today" sounds a lot better to your investors than saying "We had 10,000 people log in and do stuff, and another 90,000 skill queues ran unattended." Sometimes the appearance of activity is more important than actual activity - even though the two reports generate the same income, one of them sounds like a healthy game - the other one sounds like a game on the verge of dying. As an investor, whic one are you more likely to back with your real life monies?

I already replied to you in your own thread, thanks for reviving a Necro-thread of a forum troll who already bio-massed and firing the mute discussion all up again, great job for not listening. You didn't get the hint of your thread being insta-locked ?

The Answer is the same: No

The Reasons are the same: READ.

Disc is cheap, but as a subscriber, you're paying for it. But how much would it cost?

Let's assume that the 50 skill limit is also lifted, so you can pack those 180 days pretty efficiently. Let's suppose you can get 256 skills in there, and let's suppose all 2^19 accounts do it. Furthermore, let's give a whole four bytes for the skill ID - after all, typeids might well go over 65535. Why, for all those subscribers, that's a princely 2^31 bytes. Or, in other words, two gigabytes. At current disc prices that would cost you _well_ over fourpence.

That is a bit unfair, of course, because the cost of properly backed up storage for professional purposes is far higher than just buying a disc off the shelf. My personal metric is that it is ten times as expensive, but let us err on the side of caution and make it a hundred times as expensive. The storage for these expanded skill queues could well cost as much as £5.

I sha'n't bother to calculate the marginal electricity costs of keeping a fraction of a square millimetre of disc platter spinning, but you see where I'm going.



I think others have dealt with this; if you're pulling the wool over investors' eyes in an obvious fashion, better stop before they notice.

Ok, I can say it again, the 24h skill cue was a gesture to avoid lost training time due to no fault of the player at all. And guess what, it works.
You are shifting the burdon of prove if say we have to bring up arguments against a change, you have to prove it is worth while and bring any benfits to the game and / or community.

I noticed the skillcue at day 1 of EVE and realized its importance and I have never lost a second due to my inability not to log on in time. You know, you can set your trainign at the first day to extend 36 hours and after that for about 100 hours and more. Anyone failing to fit in a skill in the end that lasts more then 25h is to blame himself. More so player who could always fit in a 26+day skill if logon times are being questionable.

With this in mind, a change, which was stated was against initial intentions (and are still being opposed to a change) will only serve the lazy and I follow the principle that 'if we start catering to the lazy it will be the death of EVE'.

This suggestion has nothing to do with improving playability like wanted shortcuts, some UI tweaks or balance issues or anything else for that matter, don't pretend it does.

PS: And I already stated, that if I would just think and act like a player considering only me, I would like to have a 1 month skill cue, but I am not here to argue just for myself but for the game - are you ?

Lets send this thread the way of its OP.

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