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Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#21 - 2014-07-15 11:25:05 UTC
Lachra wrote:
Klandi wrote:
After spending quality time with the family, you like to kick back and enjoy time with your internet buds and your internet spaceships...


So you're a casual player, like me. Where does wresting & holding Sov come into enjoying the game? Envying the wealth and assets of the hardcore playerbase will just lead you to misery.


Don't get me wrong Lachra, I enjoy the people first and the game second - I can build sandcastles with Chribba!! but I suppose what I am commenting on is as Mittani puts it ..
Quote " You want to try to build up a capital group in lowsec? Good luck deploying against a tower without someone in a bloc finding out and dropping a pile of bored supercarrier pilots on you. You want to build up or buy enough supers that you can take down sov structures without seriously questioning your life choices? You need to have more than a bloc can destroy to prevent them dropping on you - which means you essentially must be a bloc already"

So I must now say that type and choice of sandcastle is limited due to the requirement of space to put up said sandcastle. Wealth and assets are lower priority - enough to have fun is good enough but I have no aspirations to take-over any sov

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-07-15 11:26:46 UTC
Its hard for me to say this i have found myself agreeing with mittans not once but twice this week.......

first his idea for a gated area for new players and now his supercap benchmark (for the most part at least)

problem is if you get rid of ALL supers eve inherently reverts back to N+1 the side with the most pilots are likely going to win in the long run yes smaller groups might get the odd win but there not gonna win the war.

instead of it being who has the most supers in will be who can field the most carriers/ dreads. granted its a lot easier to get a carrier than a supercarrier, both in terms of building/buying it and affording it. But will it change null sec? no dont be silly both N3/pl and the cfc can field full fleets of carriers with ease.

the problem is where it always have been in the way sov works to begin with. sov needs a complete rework for anything to change.

N+1 shouldn't be the be all and end all, yes it should help but it shouldn't give you a automatic victory like it currently does.

after all whats the point even turning up to a fight if your out numbered 5-1 may as well just give me your isk and self destruct ya pod i will give your 70% back and say heres your insurance and save you the time of flying there just to die in the first place

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-07-15 11:36:30 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Here's a situation for you Mr/Mrs/Miss Eve player.

Hard day at work - you want to unwind - have some personal time. After spending quality time with the family, you like to kick back and enjoy time with your internet buds and your internet spaceships.

You play Eve to relax - but you like to achieve progress in whatever you do.
If you have a job and a family and play EVE to relax, how can you possibly beat thousands of players that have 10x more spare time than you do?

You would just repeatedly DIAF even if only rifters were allowed in null.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Llawa
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-07-15 11:40:34 UTC
That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.

I feel unusual.
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#25 - 2014-07-15 11:41:57 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Klandi wrote:
Here's a situation for you Mr/Mrs/Miss Eve player.

Hard day at work - you want to unwind - have some personal time. After spending quality time with the family, you like to kick back and enjoy time with your internet buds and your internet spaceships.

You play Eve to relax - but you like to achieve progress in whatever you do.
If you have a job and a family and play EVE to relax, how can you possibly beat thousands of players that have 10x more spare time than you do?

You would just repeatedly DIAF even if only rifters were allowed in null.


Wormholes

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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-07-15 11:42:14 UTC
Llawa wrote:
That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.

I feel unusual.


i no right kinda like u need a shower but u just cant seam to get clean
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#27 - 2014-07-15 11:42:52 UTC
Llawa wrote:
That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.

I feel unusual.



Yep - maybe maturity is catching up with him - it's about time

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#28 - 2014-07-15 11:45:20 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Llawa wrote:
That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.

I feel unusual.



Yep - maybe maturity is catching up with him - it's about time


You say that like he's never had a good idea about the direction of EVE. Go back and read some of his commentary on EVE around about the time of the Incarna debacle.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-07-15 11:47:22 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Klandi wrote:
Llawa wrote:
That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.

I feel unusual.



Yep - maybe maturity is catching up with him - it's about time


You say that like he's never had a good idea about the direction of EVE. Go back and read some of his commentary on EVE around about the time of the Incarna debacle.


And Tech nerfs

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Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#30 - 2014-07-15 11:48:40 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Klandi wrote:
Llawa wrote:
That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.

I feel unusual.



Yep - maybe maturity is catching up with him - it's about time


You say that like he's never had a good idea about the direction of EVE. Go back and read some of his commentary on EVE around about the time of the Incarna debacle.


I think even pigeons knew how to constructively criticize Incarna. Lol
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#31 - 2014-07-15 11:49:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Mallak Azaria wrote:
And Tech nerfs


and drone assist.

Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
I think even pigeons knew how to constructively criticize Incarna. Lol



ok I'll give you that one.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#32 - 2014-07-15 11:50:30 UTC
Don't bother to long with stuff other people write about how they see eve o in this case mittens typical whining about other people having more big toys as him. Because his conclusions are wrong and despite his claims he doesn't want a better eve for everyone but only a better eve for gsf.

Even if ccp would remove all supers and titans today it wouldn't change anything for anybody outside of the established powerblocs. A thrid party still wouldn't have a chance to take sov from either goons or N3PL. The only thing that would probably change is the balance of power between both blocs in favor for the cfc.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-07-15 11:51:03 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
Llawa wrote:
That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.

I feel unusual.


i no right kinda like u need a shower but u just cant seam to get clean

Klandi wrote:
Yep - maybe maturity is catching up with him - it's about time

we all learned an important lesson about prejudice here today

knowing is half the battle!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2014-07-15 11:51:26 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:

problem is if you get rid of ALL supers eve inherently reverts back to N+1 the side with the most pilots are likely going to win in the long run yes smaller groups might get the odd win but there not gonna win the war.


It's that way right now anyway. The only difference is that this one has a price tag and opportunity cost that guarantees that no small group can hack it.

Quote:

N+1 shouldn't be the be all and end all, yes it should help but it shouldn't give you a automatic victory like it currently does.


The major force multiplier can either be numbers or pricetag, take your pick. Personally I think numbers is far better than pricetag. Supers turn it into both numbers and pricetag, have both or don't even bother.

And don't make me laugh by offering "skill" up instead. This isn't a flight sim, this is Civilization with real people. With TiDi the game may as well be turn based.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#35 - 2014-07-15 11:52:21 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Klandi wrote:
Llawa wrote:
That's two articles that Mittens has written in his traffic control blog that I totally agree with.

I feel unusual.



Yep - maybe maturity is catching up with him - it's about time


You say that like he's never had a good idea about the direction of EVE. Go back and read some of his commentary on EVE around about the time of the Incarna debacle.


I couldn't give a **** about all the retards going apeshit over some pixel pants, but Mittani's Sins of a Solar Spymaster was by far the most insightful EVE blog at the time.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#36 - 2014-07-15 11:52:58 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
And Tech nerfs


and drone assist.

Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
I think even pigeons knew how to constructively criticize Incarna. Lol



ok I'll give you that one.


You've added a couple of other examples after I posted this and they are all valid Blink
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#37 - 2014-07-15 11:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Don't bother to long with stuff other people write about how they see eve o in this case mittens typical whining about other people having more big toys as him. Because his conclusions are wrong and despite his claims he doesn't want a better eve for everyone but only a better eve for gsf.

Even if ccp would remove all supers and titans today it wouldn't change anything for anybody outside of the established powerblocs. A thrid party still wouldn't have a chance to take sov from either goons or N3PL. The only thing that would probably change is the balance of power between both blocs in favor for the cfc.



It is significantly harder to defend large swathes of SOV without a blob of effectively invulnerable repping machines that can reach any part of space very very quickly. Very few can amass enough supercaps to challenge either us or N3/PL. Anybody can churn out T1 battleships. We (Goons) can field just as big a super/titan/capital blob as N3/PL, maybe bigger. Doing away with all that would actually weaken us.

Who knows, maybe even TEST could claw back some of its... no, sorry, couldn't finish that without laughing.

King Fu Hostile wrote:
I couldn't give a **** about all the retards going apeshit over some pixel pants, but Mittani's Sins of a Solar Spymaster was by far the most insightful EVE blog at the time.


You'll be pleased to know that he'll be doing more of them again, in addition to his little opinion pieces.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-07-15 11:56:45 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
despite his claims he doesn't want a better eve for everyone but only a better eve for gsf.


How was the Tech nerf only beneficial to GSF? I mean, apart from us booting you bads out of fountain of course.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#39 - 2014-07-15 11:57:48 UTC
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-07-15 11:59:01 UTC
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:
If you define expanding and having fun in EVE solely as gaining sov, and you don't want to join any corp/alliance which is large or powerful enough (including allies) to do something like that, then yes, all is futile.

I am playing EVE very casually, and I am in a corp and alliance I'd call medium-sized at best, compared to what I see elsewhere number-wise. More like a small alliance. We still have sov, even if not a lot, and I am accepted and welcome despite my casual playing.

Aside from that I am pretty sure there is tons of other stuff one can do in EVE which has nothing to do with SOV nullsec.

Edit: grammar

But the OP does have ONE point, and thats that right now, if the "endgame" for a group fo people is owning SOV, they have no way to do it without bending over and swearing fealty to someone who has "already done it". THey cant be new players, or truly fight and take what they want, because the doctrones and meta that drives nullsec is centered around massive coalitions capable of crushing ANY independent threat. Short of convincing every highsec missioner/bear to get into a pvp ship and head to null, no group could oppose either of the current coalitions on their own, and even with the numbers, they wouldnt have the supercapital advantage, an advantage they CANNOT gain because, and as evident by PL's exploits lately, any group attempting to build/buy a super without "nullsec approval" soon finds their investments in a fire.
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