Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Few PL people noticed that they don't have any real targets.
They cannot attack CFC because of agreement.
They cannot attack NC as this is their ally.

Most of the stuff in lowsec is dead.
No content from contracts, as there is nothing more than NCPL and CFC.
They are bored, especially when every thing is going to less content for them.
Old core of PL simply want something more than frigate and interceptors brawls, yes they will hunt some super or few capitals in lowsec , but this is more like shooting from a tank to a sheep , not something that will be grate.

I still remember early fights in the Halloween War , before cfc arrived , and NCPL started to drop FuckOff Ball.
Those fights where epic , people clashing each other, whole fleets of battleships dying , and people reshipping while fight was still on and getting back to fight.

Moment when on grid someone dropped 4-5 triage carriers , and all the things you needed to do brake them.

This was fun.
Then after some whelps we got FuckOff Ball on each timers, NCPL didn't want to loose , and as this was "I WIN" button , we got this on every possible timer.

The same tactic use now CFC - but they drop few hundred sub capitals, any one that will try to do something about this will get instant TIDI 3% and any one will be able to pull stuff from any part of eve and join this battle.

This is the reason why power projection is so OP.
If you have enough capitals or subcapitals on the grid - you are getting to the point where no more escalation is possible.

How many times we where bridged to a system with a big brawl ... and no modules where responsive as simply SERVERS where not capable of handling this amount of load.

How many times bombers - ultimate weapons against any thing proved to be useless , as deployed bombs flew endlessly without exploding. Some allied ceptor pilot bored decided to fly next to bombs just to see when they will explode - he got bored after 30 minutes.

Is the current situation player fault ? Yes
Can players solve this issue by them self - no . Simply servers are not capable of keeping up.
HED was the best example.
Drooping hundreds of dreads lead to their massacre - because no one could do any thing, activate modules, jump out , any thing. People where getting their KM while still in warp tunel , or sitting still in a jump out location.

CCP came out then with the "massive player engagement" , something that allow them to say NO to all reimbursement claims ( as yes servers where working properly , there was nothing wrong after all ), as they didn't claim for all those years that " come play eve online , place where you can play with thousands of other players".

BR is the best example of CCP inability to provide stuff they promised all those years.
CFC had to pull out as many sub capitals as they can from this system in order for this fight to go one.

Now lets see current situation , next BR will be utilizing MORE supers and more capitals, as that is the only thing people are asked to invest.
Will this be good for CCP marketing ?
Yes, unless this will end up like HED .
Why didn't see informations about this fight in media / web pages - as there every thing went wrong, and you are not promoting your failures.

Yes this was suggested many times, including suggestion about making ships spread around the system instead of landing directly on cyno.

Also suggested more than once.
1.Jump drive range limited
2.Capitals and supers have to use the regional gates to pass between regions.

Logistics and power projection are inseparable. If you possess the ability to move hulls rapidly and securely for logistical purposes, you are able to move them quickly and rapidly for combat purposes and vice versa. You might eliminate some of the more egregious occurences (e.g. a capital fleet crossing the cluster in 30 minutes or absurdly rapid escalations) by tweaking jump mechanics, but that won't do anything about the underlying system unless you fundamentally change logistics as well.

So main idea with TELEPORTATION (c) Marlona Sky is that no ship should be traveling so safely from one point of universe to another. The gates are there and they must be used by everything. When it comes down to fights for territory, delivering reinforcement to battlefield should be FC's living nightmare as it once was when support fleets (frigs, cruisers, BCs) were camping multiple routes, killing every slowpoke from reinforcement fleet and thus making an impact on main course of the battle without even being in system where main fight was raging. Right now in order to disrupt enemy reinforcement one must bring a large fleet to staging system and just buble undock, if enemy will break out from that bubble, there's nothing stopping them using 2-3 jumps via JBs or titans and get to battlefield 20-30 jumps from place where they actually started.

Ability to stockpile worm bodies in one place is also a huge issue. That was the trigger for creation of massive supercap/titan fleets. When one side cannot bring enough worm bodies it will bring something that can live long enough to do some damage. Right now main goal in battleship fleet fights is to volley your opponent faster then he will volley you. This kind of approach generates need of more pilots in system to win the battle. Structures are tough to kill and have a very long reinforcement timer giving a huge advantage to defender. I would fully agree on structure changes provided by OP, wonder if CCP thinks the same.

Can we actually get some sort of feedback from CCP itself regarding this issue? CCP Fozzie wrote several pages back, that they are monitoring this thread. Would be nice to hear what they view as an issue and how they think it might be solved, because some things that players call an issue CCP calls it a feature and visa versa.

Basically EVE today is:

1. Holding sov - You go on vacation to Hawaii leaving you doors open, but nobody is able to get in to rob it or just live there while you are away. You do not face a significant consequences for not paying attention to things unless enemy is at your doorsteps.

2. Moving fleets using Teleportation - It's like jumping from skyscraper without a parachute, smashing on a ground and walking away. There must be a downside for caps and subcaps using jump mechanics whether it is a titan bridge or jump bridge.

For the 10th time. Because they are NOT allowed in high sec and therefore VAST parts of space woudl be unreachable while hundreds of them would get stuck in low sec pockets.

That could be done, yes, But would need a rework on eve geography and for that you need a HUGE and deep study.[/quote]

You are wrong.
Read again.
JUMP DRIVE using limited range.
NO REGIONAL jumps.
XL REGIONAL GATES usable by supers and capitals , and those gates in the direction of closest NPC space.

This way all space will be reachable.
If some pockets of space will be to far for capitals to jump , just upgrade gate to this pocket to XL size - something what can be reported to CCP and fixed between DT.

Some Lowsec pockets unreachable to supers capitals?
Single stranded systems surrounded by High Sec?
Yey! Good for them , some variety will be good.

People can still build there capitals.

Remove the quote of your failed quote because was unreadable.


If the low sec pokects can get isolated then peoel will get stuck there.

And your proposal demands geophaphy changes (the XL gates) and that needs as I stated a deep analysis, nto a random throw in like to the closest NPC space. Route deployment is the MOST powerful tool CCP have on organizing eve and it cannot be handled without care.

None of proposed changes require some minor tweaks. They all need HUGE and deep study, but if CCP will not start doing this we will end up in a very stagnant game and eventually people will start leaving.

Fun fact of the day: reducing sov structure ehp (e.g. by reducing ihub ehp from 175 million (sov) to 25 million ( fac war) or less) reduces the need for entities to field both 1000 man megathron fleets and massive supercap fleets to take sov.

This has been your fun fact for the day.