Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If it hasn't already been suggested (I can' be bothered to read the whole thread at the moment), I'd be fine with this as long as it has the right implementation, namely:

The CEO of a given corp can set a flag to either allow corp members to shoot each other without invoking CONCORD or deny that ability. When the flag is set either way, everyone in the corp gets an EVEmail informing them of the change. New corp members also receive an email upon joining the corporation indicating the current state of the Awoxing flag. Moreover, to prevent a CEO from changing it on short notice for overly nefarious purposes, give any changes to the Awox flag a 1-week timer before they become active.

And I have had the exact opposite experience, with my first corp being a 300 member alliance with an open door policy in high sec. Yes, Awoxers happened. And they ended fairly quickly and people got on with their lives with little ado. Unless they were flying something ridiculously blingy they often got the amount of the ship replaced 5 times over as people heard what happened and just randomly sent isk (had one guy return my donation after he said he'd already been helped out 7 times). We even had fun with them from time to time. Once a Tengu pilot dropped in and started knocking off miners, only to have a 10 year vet who had joined the corp 3 days earlier for some casual spaceship time chase him across the region until he made a safe and logged off. That was during a war, if memory serves me correctly.

Since I was still a complete noob I spent my time running locator agents on the guy and warning people that he was going after, which skunked him until he got bored and dropped corp on his own.

Good times.

Several things:
1 - screening can only get you so far. If the person is a repeat offender and you let them in, you deserve the AWOX. But someone with a clean character can AWOX just as well.
2 - Removal of the AWOXing pilot is only possible if they are docked.
3 - The Mechanic for neutral reps and boosts need to change as they are currently "untouchable" without concord intervention on their behalf.

I do not think the ability to AWOX should be removed. Or, for that matter, be a bannable offense. It would be better if the ability for green on green combat to be selectable per player. The CEO would be able to mark certain players as non-combatants such as their industrialists. The CEO would also have the ability to kick someone from corp if they were in space, however, they are not removed until 2 hours after their next log on or 2 hours after being kicked if they are currently logged in.

Gevlon had a good suggestion to deal with boosts and reps from neutrals here. In short: if you are boosting or repping someone in combat that you yourself would be flagged for shooting, then you are flagged as suspect (not criminal).

While there is an appeal to remove mutual combat within corps completely due to dueling to allow fit testing, it fails to allow for other forms of testing outside of dueling. Give the CEO the ability to flag someone as non-combat and they become exempt while you can have your PvP corp members test and train with each other.

This could be expanded to even allow Alliance wide combat training in High Sec without CONCORD issues by allowing them to flag members for PvP combat within the alliance against similarly flagged members.

I am not honestly aware as to whether it is a problem, not a serious issue, or a monstrous blot on the face of EVE.

If CCP felt the need to do something about it, rather than removing the ability to shoot at corpies, would not a simple challenge response be effective?

Message cormember 1 wishes to engage in combat, do you accept the challenge? If accepted requesting player is accepting corp wide aggression against him without interference, but he only has rights to engage the accepting member.

Accepted, combat rules apply and concord response disabled until any member docks or leaves system.
Or
Declined, combat will result in concord response, player xxx does not accept combat rules.

This only takes a second.

Then you can still have webbing of freighters, and intercorp battles without it being problematic.
It would not remove awoxing, just one effect.

But if it is not a problem and is still required, then CCP needs do nothing.
Purely offered as a potential mechanism that is clear to use and comparatively easy to implement. Basically a multi person duel.

It would be simpler however IF it is a problem to remove inter corp protection from concord and just use the duel mechanism.

if you are so afraid of awoxers create an alliance with your mains corp. have an alt create a corp join mains alliance recruit into the second corp. all new players are part of your alliance but you cant shoot them.

because players will lazily adopt the easiest defense, i.e not recruitign new players and that is bad for the game health And that trumphs any good thing that could come form allowing corp awoxing.

Except that this has not actually happened on any scale worthy of remark. New characters don't have a problem getting into corps. So no, it does not "trump" anything.

No, it relies on it being CCP's design intent that you be able to infiltrate, spy on, and assassinate corporations in EVE. Skullduggery and all that.

You are suggesting removing a piece of intended gameplay to combat purely imaginary harm being done to new players. In other words, you are just trying to advance your agenda of a PvP free zone, one piece at a time.




Coming from a carebear, that is rich. I could argue easily, (and I have) that the side presenting this in the first place has no actual argument. Just an emotional appeal about new players, who engender more sympathy, in an attempt to press your agenda.

All based on the fabricated construct that somehow new players aren't able to get into corps.

+1, New players are very valuable nowaday. More should be done on retention. New players knew they could be ganked/scammed, but backstabbing by friends is a very bad experience new players don't need.

I don't care if awoxers lure new players to low/null/wormhole to do their stuffs, but awoxing should be prohibited/discouraged in high sec. which is like a sanctuary for highlanders.

If you really want to travel down that road, it just leads to having a really good reason to just remove CONCORD entirely.




If they are permissible by the current ruleset, then they are not exploits.

At least that what people like you keep telling me when I refer to dec dodging as an exploit. Can we solve that exploit too, or just the ones that carebears don't like? (hint, stop asking for special treatment, your entitlement is already painfully apparent)

Oh, and I am all in favor of fixing neutral logi. I personally believe that they should inherit any limited engagement timer that the person being repped has. That way the corp is highly incentivized to be able to hunt down the awoxer, since they can actually do it now.