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Character baazar flooded by high SP characters.

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Ivan Krividus
Cold Lazarus Inc
The-Expanse
#61 - 2014-07-14 21:28:24 UTC
Those people buying those toons will be playing on them... I dont see how eve is dying due to this.

Matter cannot be created or destroyed unless someone is buying toons just so he can delete them...
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-07-14 23:40:35 UTC
Grunanca wrote:
Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it!


That is not what was said.

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Ja'kar
Corporate Scum
#63 - 2014-07-14 23:56:14 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:


Do you think that we are loosing players because CCP is making eve flat.
Since 2008 ccp made eve simpler ( and it is still in this process).

Maybe we are loosing players that liked the complexity of eve.


Yes I agree...
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-07-15 00:02:37 UTC
Ja'kar wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:


Do you think that we are loosing players because CCP is making eve flat.
Since 2008 ccp made eve simpler ( and it is still in this process).

Maybe we are loosing players that liked the complexity of eve.


Yes I agree...


loosing

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Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#65 - 2014-07-15 00:44:57 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.


^
this, so much. posting in yet another 'eve is dying' thread.
Marsha Mallow
#66 - 2014-07-15 01:27:10 UTC
Ocih wrote:
As for understanding why people do things in EVE?
I don't even try.

Straight

OcihMost people are just replying to threads and [u wrote:
not doing sabbaticals at a monastery to ponder the deep meaning of their every reply

This is a really snarky comment, which normally I'd ignore but if you want to know why some of us reply this way, continue.

Replying in a single post allows some of us to make numerous points *relatively* concisely without having to come back and argue at length with those who dissect posts without actually contributing a meaningful perspective. Us ramblers can use paragraphs and gleefully waffle on at length, knowing full well it will wind up the one-line-look-at-me posters who spell words like 'awful' wrong and are incapable of anything but feeble, passive-aggressive insults. Also burying your most vicious insults in the middle of lengthy paragraphs is diverting. You might notice us 'monks' generally don't spam these threads 70 times arguing or trolling, although we are clearly reading and responding to more than just the previous poster. Throw away comments are fine - some are awesome - but most are feeble, bitter, nasty and boring. You keep mentioning on various alts how horriable this game is, and how vile the community, despite only apparently being here to abuse everyone else. Before making some of the most ignorant observations I've ever seen in GD. For you, it will probably always be a horrible game, and your only satisfaction will likely be generated from pointing out the failings of others. Allow us to ignore you for another decade (cheers for the subs tho - you paid our devmonkeys too).

Remiel and Antihrist make a point of making lengthy posts, which I enjoy reading. Whilst I can see it annoys some, I'm doing the same quite delilberately. Partly because I can't be bothered starting a blog, and 'leblogsphere' echo chamber isn't really PvP imo. Diversity should be encouraged for those of us who enjoy reading, can handle being contradicted, and aren't all that bothered about remarking for ~cool~ points. We were right in the first place most of the time anyway. Reddit and twatter is where you can make ignorant, supercilious remarks for "upvotes" and get away with it. Not ere.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#67 - 2014-07-15 03:00:33 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
PLEX prices are about as much CCP's call as character bazaar rates are.


CCP could effect change in plex prices very very easily. All they would have to do is have a plex sale which is more than 5-10% off..

Theyve already started putting on the launcher a plex rates are high sign with a link to the buy plex page. Although thats probably not enough.


The thing is... the people who buy PLEX with RM are the same people who would buy PLEX with RM anyway. The people who don't buy PLEX with RM are the same people who ignore such sales and still don't buy PLEX with RM.

And the outliers are not statistically significant enough to make any difference.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-07-15 03:31:12 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK



This isn't accurate. Plex has only very recently hit 800mil, and those of us in the 100mil+ club have been playing since before plex even existed. While sure, if you were to buy enough plex now to train a character up to 100mil SP, you'd have to pay 800m per month, those of us that plexed when the feature came out did so for a much smaller prices. Additionally, you're paying for wasted, or not fully useful SP, as well as bulk value. You're getting a huge package of skills together, as opposed to a specific specialized pilot role, so the price is going to be cheaper.

Now, while I might agree that 120mil SP pilots aren't selling for as much as they should, (I'm worth more than 50 measly billion, goddamnyou.) Characters are only worth what people are willing to pay for them.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#69 - 2014-07-15 05:47:28 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


It could equally be a sign of good health. More people selling 100m+ chars means more people have 100m+ chars than they did previously. Logic suggests this is due to the steady increase in subscriptions over the years.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#70 - 2014-07-15 06:48:05 UTC
I think its a general inflation of SP. Eve is 10 now and you're bound to see them.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#71 - 2014-07-15 06:57:02 UTC
This ridiculous abortion of a thread gives me an idea. To the spreadsheet-mobile!

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

flakeys
Doomheim
#72 - 2014-07-15 07:01:31 UTC
Steve Celeste wrote:
100m+ chars with good names are still extremely rare.



What's wrong with my name "? Blink

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Cyno Saraki
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-07-15 07:06:42 UTC
The real question is are the characters mains or not? 100m alt might not be needed & just got to bloated over time.
What I'm thinking is a few quit the game, sell their main characters for isk then RMT it out. 50b isk = $1000 US using plex prices.
Anthar Thebess
#74 - 2014-07-15 07:08:26 UTC
Ivan Krividus wrote:
Those people buying those toons will be playing on them... I dont see how eve is dying due to this.

Matter cannot be created or destroyed unless someone is buying toons just so he can delete them...

Well i buy them.
Because if i ever need an alt - i will already have something, and it is much cheaper than train one - im not talking about 100mil chars but 15-30mil ones.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#75 - 2014-07-15 07:37:28 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Ivan Krividus wrote:
Those people buying those toons will be playing on them... I dont see how eve is dying due to this.

Matter cannot be created or destroyed unless someone is buying toons just so he can delete them...

Well i buy them.
Because if i ever need an alt - i will already have something, and it is much cheaper than train one - im not talking about 100mil chars but 15-30mil ones.



I'm still working the numbers on this, but if the price per million sp quoted earlier in this thread is realistically ~400 million ISK, then no. It's never cheaper to buy than to train. Only faster, which is what we would all hope for.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2014-07-15 08:29:41 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Grunanca wrote:
Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it!


That is not what was said.


Ill admit I dont remember the exact wording, maybe you can enlighten me?

None the less, it is what you achieved, knowingly or not. In the end it will be an endless boring grind of isk between the powerblocs with no real action or fun happening.
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#77 - 2014-07-16 04:57:58 UTC
They should bring dust to the pc as a part of eve. Id imagine most eve players are pc gamers and stay clear of consoles, having a fps side of the game might keep people intrested. Was deeply confused when the alienated their entire fan base and made dust console only. They invested a lot of time and design space on dust... give it back to eve >.<

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Captain Soju
Failed Diplomacy
#78 - 2014-07-16 09:17:27 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.


This. Also, people with long history of scamming/griefing can get a clean slate this way...unfortunately
Jeremy Fischer1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2014-07-16 10:56:08 UTC
Grunanca wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast.

All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal?

Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space?
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#80 - 2014-07-16 11:02:10 UTC
Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:
Grunanca wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring that this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast.

All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal?

Nullsec is where it's at anyway, what you doing in empire space?

Not boring himself in mostly empty space,
surrounded mostly by nullbears who hide from afk cloakers.

All the people are in empire space,
including lots of nullseccers.

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