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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#381 - 2014-07-14 22:28:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
can the limited engagement timer be extended to include whole corps? like when you hover over it, it'd show a corp badge and name instead of pilot picture and name

benny you're so stupid that'd allow the neutral pilot to aggro anyone in the corp that wasn't in the fight


Hence my suggestion. Suspect just does not fit, imo.

Suspect does fix it though. Having a suspect timer allows the corp to attack the logi freely and IF THEY DO, the logi can retaliate (probably after reshipping first).

If repping someone in a corp gave a limited engagement on the whole corp, the logi could rep the person and then attack other members in the corp without those members attacking the logi first. In this case you might as well get rid of the wardec mechanic, cause this seems a whole lot better.

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#382 - 2014-07-14 23:27:29 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Corp members shouldn't be able to freely fire at each other...they should have to use the duel option. Then if they get killed by a corp mate well it's their own fault.

So you want to completely remove a valid playstyle from eve that is one of the things that makes this game unique? No thanks.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
[quote=BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie] The easiest solution to this would be to have players that agress corp members in high sec receive a suspect timer.




So all those PVE players should just stay in NPC corps because of a bad game mechanic? It doesn't even make sense to allow a corp member to outright kill another corp member. Unless they enter into a duel together. Spies/corp killers can just be more creative instead of join...kill...watch enraged player quit the game. How is that healthy for the game as a whole?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#383 - 2014-07-14 23:28:40 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Corp members shouldn't be able to freely fire at each other...they should have to use the duel option. Then if they get killed by a corp mate well it's their own fault.

So you want to completely remove a valid playstyle from eve that is one of the things that makes this game unique? No thanks.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
[quote=BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie] The easiest solution to this would be to have players that agress corp members in high sec receive a suspect timer.




So all those PVE players should just stay in NPC corps because of a bad game mechanic?


How would that happen?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#384 - 2014-07-14 23:35:38 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

So all those PVE players should just stay in NPC corps because of a bad game mechanic? It doesn't even make sense to allow a corp member to outright kill another corp member. Unless they enter into a duel together. Spies/corp killers can just be more creative instead of join...kill...watch enraged player quit the game. How is that healthy for the game as a whole?


Ha, when you say "more creative" you mean "impossible if the corp leadership tells people to not accept duels". Which they would.

Stop trying to remove a legitimate playstyle because you don't like it. If I had a million isk for everyone who blustered about quitting and didn't, I wouldn't have to pay for my acounts for a year. This is an imaginary problem.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#385 - 2014-07-15 00:02:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

So all those PVE players should just stay in NPC corps because of a bad game mechanic? It doesn't even make sense to allow a corp member to outright kill another corp member. Unless they enter into a duel together. Spies/corp killers can just be more creative instead of join...kill...watch enraged player quit the game. How is that healthy for the game as a whole?


Ha, when you say "more creative" you mean "impossible if the corp leadership tells people to not accept duels". Which they would.

Stop trying to remove a legitimate playstyle because you don't like it. If I had a million isk for everyone who blustered about quitting and didn't, I wouldn't have to pay for my acounts for a year. This is an imaginary problem.


I didn't say I didn't like it. Just doesn't make sense to me to have it exist like that. Why would it be okay in any situation to openly fire on teammates without some type of consequence?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#386 - 2014-07-15 00:05:13 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

So all those PVE players should just stay in NPC corps because of a bad game mechanic? It doesn't even make sense to allow a corp member to outright kill another corp member. Unless they enter into a duel together. Spies/corp killers can just be more creative instead of join...kill...watch enraged player quit the game. How is that healthy for the game as a whole?


Ha, when you say "more creative" you mean "impossible if the corp leadership tells people to not accept duels". Which they would.

Stop trying to remove a legitimate playstyle because you don't like it. If I had a million isk for everyone who blustered about quitting and didn't, I wouldn't have to pay for my acounts for a year. This is an imaginary problem.


I didn't say I didn't like it. Just doesn't make sense to me to have it exist like that. Why would it be okay in any situation to openly fire on teammates without some type of consequence?


Because its up to your team mates to arrange your "consequence"?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#387 - 2014-07-15 00:09:48 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

So all those PVE players should just stay in NPC corps because of a bad game mechanic? It doesn't even make sense to allow a corp member to outright kill another corp member. Unless they enter into a duel together. Spies/corp killers can just be more creative instead of join...kill...watch enraged player quit the game. How is that healthy for the game as a whole?


Ha, when you say "more creative" you mean "impossible if the corp leadership tells people to not accept duels". Which they would.

Stop trying to remove a legitimate playstyle because you don't like it. If I had a million isk for everyone who blustered about quitting and didn't, I wouldn't have to pay for my acounts for a year. This is an imaginary problem.


I didn't say I didn't like it. Just doesn't make sense to me to have it exist like that. Why would it be okay in any situation to openly fire on teammates without some type of consequence?


Because its up to your team mates to arrange your "consequence"?



Yeah, but we all know that if you remain undocked and afk cloaked you cannot be found and cannot be kicked from corp. If your clever and rotate your safe spots you can pick targets at will carefully avoiding bait ships and then disappear again. If its highsec you can't even be hotdropped.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#388 - 2014-07-15 00:14:34 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

Yeah, but we all know that if you remain undocked and afk cloaked you cannot be found and cannot be kicked from corp. If your clever and rotate your safe spots you can pick targets at will carefully avoiding bait ships and then disappear again. If its highsec you can't even be hotdropped.


And if you do that, you are no longer a threat

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#389 - 2014-07-15 00:19:41 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I didn't say I didn't like it. Just doesn't make sense to me to have it exist like that. Why would it be okay in any situation to openly fire on teammates without some type of consequence?


You do realize they are allowed to shoot him back, right?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#390 - 2014-07-15 00:28:09 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I didn't say I didn't like it. Just doesn't make sense to me to have it exist like that. Why would it be okay in any situation to openly fire on teammates without some type of consequence?


You do realize they are allowed to shoot him back, right?



Friend of mine infiltrated a WH corp, logged in when everyone else was offline, ejected all the ships from the POS and blew the lot up :D
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#391 - 2014-07-15 00:30:19 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I didn't say I didn't like it. Just doesn't make sense to me to have it exist like that. Why would it be okay in any situation to openly fire on teammates without some type of consequence?


You do realize they are allowed to shoot him back, right?



Friend of mine infiltrated a WH corp, logged in when everyone else was offline, ejected all the ships from the POS and blew the lot up :D


Stupid is as stupid has done to it

also

Lel

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#392 - 2014-07-15 00:39:18 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I didn't say I didn't like it. Just doesn't make sense to me to have it exist like that. Why would it be okay in any situation to openly fire on teammates without some type of consequence?


You do realize they are allowed to shoot him back, right?



Friend of mine infiltrated a WH corp, logged in when everyone else was offline, ejected all the ships from the POS and blew the lot up :D


Sweet. Opsec and all that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#393 - 2014-07-15 01:10:17 UTC
Is there a follow up article yet where The Mittani presents all these new players that will play Carebear EVE instead of Elite and Star Citizen?

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#394 - 2014-07-15 01:22:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I didn't say I didn't like it. Just doesn't make sense to me to have it exist like that. Why would it be okay in any situation to openly fire on teammates without some type of consequence?


You do realize they are allowed to shoot him back, right?

The most useless response next to "Get good."

Get good is a useless sentiment in EvE. It is the same as saying "Play for a long time". That is just how it is where you get SP for subscribing rather than doing.

BTW, bullies want you to punch back at them. Then they can call their actions justified.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#395 - 2014-07-15 01:26:52 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I didn't say I didn't like it. Just doesn't make sense to me to have it exist like that. Why would it be okay in any situation to openly fire on teammates without some type of consequence?


You do realize they are allowed to shoot him back, right?

The most useless response next to "Get good."

Get good is a useless sentiment in EvE. It is the same as saying "Play for a long time". That is just how it is where you get SP for subscribing rather than doing.

BTW, bullies want you to punch back at them. Then they can call their actions justified.


Your entire post is wrong.

Shoot back is a perfectly acceptable option. I mean, unless you somehow never trained guns for any of your ships.

And nothing in this game constitutes bullying, just so you know. There is no such thing as bullying in an online interaction you expressly agreed to, and that is 100% voluntary.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#396 - 2014-07-15 01:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Actually, CCP believes that harassment is a thing and that's why it is a TOS/EULA violation to do so. The tricky part is trying to figure out how that is possible since the agressee can log out at any time, pod jump, add people to their ignore list, and a whole bunch of other things in the event they feel aggrieved.

The problem comes with babies complaining about getting their autism chariots blown up in a game where involuntary PVP is expressly allowed. That's not harassment, that's EVE.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#397 - 2014-07-15 01:42:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
I didn't say I didn't like it. Just doesn't make sense to me to have it exist like that. Why would it be okay in any situation to openly fire on teammates without some type of consequence?

Corp recruitment is like inviting someone into your home. The mechanics make sense because they encourage forethought, research, and caution when inviting someone to stand within knifing distance of you. Awoxing has a lot of RL parallels.

The heavy air of distrust in EVE makes trust all the sweeter.

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Marsha Mallow
#398 - 2014-07-15 01:49:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
There is no such thing as bullying in an online interaction you expressly agreed to, and that is 100% voluntary.

Neut RR is a blatant, unresolved exploit. It pisses people off who DO get into highsec fighting. Can you rationalise it? Why the hell is fighting in highsec so hard in the first place, shouldn't it get progressively more challenging? The aggro mechanics and CONCORD/Faction Police actually deter people from combat - as well as 'protecting' them - because it's just annoyingly confusing. Make an explicit rationale please, in the context of this thread, just how neut RR encourages newbies in highsec corps to get into PVP without rolling additional alts just to survive to counter this broken mechanic. Not having a go at you personally, I like your attitude. Reply or not, but at the least consider it v0v

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#399 - 2014-07-15 01:54:05 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:

Neut RR is a blatant, unresolved exploit. It pisses people off who DO get into highsec fighting. Can you rationalise it? Why the hell is fighting in highsec so hard in the first place, shouldn't it get progressively more challenging? The aggro mechanics and CONCORD/Faction Police actually deter people from combat - as well as 'protecting' them - because it's just annoyingly confusing. Make an explicit rationale please, in the context of this thread, just how neut RR encourages newbies in highsec corps to get into PVP without rolling additional alts just to survive to counter this broken mechanic. Not having a go at you personally, I like your attitude. Reply or not, but at the least consider it v0v


What in the hell are you talking about? That really has little to do with "bullying".

And I personally feel that remote reps should inherit any limited engagement timer held by the person being repped. Solves it neatly, even if not the degree that both parties want. The situation you described above is also a reason why I think that faction police should be largely removed from the game, and CONCORD made into something that is a less binary, 100% reliable mechanic.

But seriously, that's a heck of a detour from what you quoted.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Marsha Mallow
#400 - 2014-07-15 02:05:35 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The situation you described above is also a reason why I think that faction police should be largely removed from the game, and CONCORD made into something that is a less binary, 100% reliable mechanic

Bad quote, sorry. That's a hell of an answer though - and along the lines I was thinking. Care to expand?

I'm all for leaving awoxing as it is btw - never not shoot a corpie unexepectedly, anywhere. Corpies are squishy/annoying.

Awoxing as a deterent to entry to highsec corps was a wierd angle in the first place.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day