Crime & Punishment

Those ganking ops were usually just me in an ECCM fit Catalyst (the ECCM was originally added after I got jammed by faction police, though it is rather helpful against vigilantes as well) and a market alt with just enough skills to use a passive targeter and a ship scanner. I would occasionally team up with someone else I saw flashing in local and there was one time when my market alt pulled a pair of newbies with one week of game time in between them out of NPC Corp Chat to help me kill a poorly-tanked Mackinaw with a deadspace hardener that I couldn't quite solo. It dropped, I let them split the loot, and they walked off with ~30 mil each. As an added bonus, we later ganked a Retriever who turned out to be some piloted by a self-declared'bank mogul'. He threw a pile of bounties on all of us and spent the rest of the evening chasing us around in a 500 mil isk Dramiel without ever catching any of us or interfering with any ganks (the dude was pretty much WhiteKnights.txt)

I don't do much ganking anymore, in part because Otela seems to have dried up for solo Hulks and in part because I've spent the last year on a laptop that can't dual box. Ganking out of an RvB staging system certainly added some entertainment to the experience, and I did learn not to **** with anyone in a belt with the Astral Scorpion. That said, I'm back on my real computer now and I've still got some Catalysts and a clone full of gunnery implants in that station, so maybe it's time to see if the prey has repopulated.

Credit where it's due; the Otela dudes did have the most effective gank defenses I've seen. Fleets of Skiffs with a Scorpion sitting on top of them are not very tempting as targets. It's not always enough to save the dude next to you in an untanked Mackinaw, but you did make me work for it good bit.

I think a month is enough to get familiar with the gist of hisec mining hazards. I was clueless about the danger for a couple weeks but it's pretty hard to ignore a growing body of information..

The thing is that I think that the Code is a good idea. However, the execution falls a tiny smidge of short, wasting the potential of what could have been. And then I read stuff like what you wrote there...



Tut tut, mining is not an isk faucet.

As for the protection racket, it's not. It's a labour union, but people are going sideways about it, so it's experiencing a stunted growth.

Yes, exactly. The more people get their mining disrupted, the more profitable mining would be for the ones that don't suffer from the disruption.

And technically, it can be an isk sink due to associated broker fees and sales taxes on the market, but in its essence it creates a commodity that is then traded for isk that already exists in some players' wallets, unlike ratting which just injects isk straight into your wallet out of thin air.

It's not an isk faucet, you don't get any money for mining. You get minerals which you can trade to other people in exchange for isk, but the isk comes from elsewhere, not the mining. Isk faucets are things like mission rewards, npc bounties, and incursions. Making you money doesn't make it an isk faucet.

Mineral inflation on the other hand...

I don't even know what to expect lol. It should be awesome though. Change is good.

I'm sorry? When did a schism take place within the hallowed gardens of the Code that denoted streaming as a violation of your sanctimonious bible of new HighSec? Does James315's HighSec extend to StarCraft 2?

These new orders from our most hallowed leader must be studied and observed!

It would be interesting, content-wise, to read a new testament on minerbumping.com as to how James315 has now incorporated these new commandments into the Eve Mormon faith.

I haven't made money ganking for the New Order, I occasionally get lucky with loot drops which offsets costs, but I'm certainly not making money. The vast majority of New Order agents are the same.

Do the words "publicity stunt" mean anything to you?


Keep in mind that some gankers don't ask for ship reimbursements on their catalysts. I didn't while I was in NODD. Its pretty difficult to turn a profit that way because of how rare good drops are off of mining ships. The gankers that do get reimbursements make around 10 mill per gank between module drops and blue loot. This translates into 20-40 million an hour, usually on the lower end of that unless they're in a really active system.

Fleet ganks (orcas and freighters, or smartbomb ganks) have no isk effect on the gankers in them except for whoever runs the fleet. All profits are rolled into more gank ships, and the number of empty freighters we gank keeps us from profiting too much. Usually there's five or so empty freighters (1-2 bill in gank ships lost), and then one that drops a bunch of loot to pay for the next 5-10 ganks. Since joining the new order I'm down around 1.5 billion between my own catalysts, an orca for transporting, and helping finance a smartbomb gank that I wasn't involved in. My net profits from ganking are around 5 mill because I'm not usually the one to scoop loot.