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stoicfaux
#761 - 2014-07-10 21:14:19 UTC
When I can't read the EVE forums, I listen to this. Rage, pride, tears, trolling, dissonance, pretentiousness, aspirations of relevance; it's all there.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#762 - 2014-07-10 22:03:58 UTC
The denizens of Hub Zero are known to break into song but I still need to get The Pirates of Penzance distributed to everybody.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
flakeys
Doomheim
#763 - 2014-07-11 10:05:48 UTC
Kal Murmur
Lazortits
#764 - 2014-07-11 16:33:32 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Market-wise and demographically as well, there's no collectivism going on in HZ. Nobody is being forced to give anything over. Some support is asked for and some support is offered freely (I can't do a thing with T2 blueprints I find so I give them to hub bros but that's my choice). I have not seen anybody get forced to give or do anything.


Can you just clear something up for me please? Aaron told us repeatedly that he had no interest in being a leader or indeed in Hub Zero having a leader. Yet Dracvlad has left telling us that he's handing the leader role to Aaron. What exactly is a leader in a place where there is no overall alliance structure? Is it purely down to Dracvlad and Aaron who is allowed standings and who can access the closed market?

Aaron also told us that this is not a corp or alliance and that all he wanted was for people to move there and do their thing without shooting each other. He's however ejected people from the area based on nothing more than feeling like he can't trust someone, and recently posted that he was glad some people left because they just minded their own business and didn't 'get involved'. What is Hub Zero? Is it a free trade port where anyone can go and play in null without the normal SOV pressures, or is it a vanity project for Aaron where peoples continued presence is dependent purely on Aaron deciding he wants them there?

One final question, there was much made about how this would be low visibility (ironic considering this thread) in order not to enrage the long term Stain residents who can be incredibly dangerous when roused. A couple of times however there have been mentions of knocking off POS's and moon mining in the area. Firstly, how long can you expect to do that without bringing serious fury down on you, and secondly where do the profits from those moons go to exactly?
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#765 - 2014-07-11 17:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Kal Murmur wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Market-wise and demographically as well, there's no collectivism going on in HZ. Nobody is being forced to give anything over. Some support is asked for and some support is offered freely (I can't do a thing with T2 blueprints I find so I give them to hub bros but that's my choice). I have not seen anybody get forced to give or do anything.


Can you just clear something up for me please? Aaron told us repeatedly that he had no interest in being a leader or indeed in Hub Zero having a leader. Yet Dracvlad has left telling us that he's handing the leader role to Aaron. What exactly is a leader in a place where there is no overall alliance structure? Is it purely down to Dracvlad and Aaron who is allowed standings and who can access the closed market?

Aaron also told us that this is not a corp or alliance and that all he wanted was for people to move there and do their thing without shooting each other. He's however ejected people from the area based on nothing more than feeling like he can't trust someone, and recently posted that he was glad some people left because they just minded their own business and didn't 'get involved'. What is Hub Zero? Is it a free trade port where anyone can go and play in null without the normal SOV pressures, or is it a vanity project for Aaron where peoples continued presence is dependent purely on Aaron deciding he wants them there?

One final question, there was much made about how this would be low visibility (ironic considering this thread) in order not to enrage the long term Stain residents who can be incredibly dangerous when roused. A couple of times however there have been mentions of knocking off POS's and moon mining in the area. Firstly, how long can you expect to do that without bringing serious fury down on you, and secondly where do the profits from those moons go to exactly?


Hey Kal,

Hub Zero will need a person or a group of persons that can act as catalysts or organizers of events such as group pve or pvp. There needs to be people who can sort out disputes, standings, and people who can organize the market. Also there is a requirement for experienced people like myself to develop long-term strategies. Myself and Dracvlad have gone for a laid-back style of leadership.

I haven't ejected anyone from here. People have left of their own free will because of the campers and difficulty in earning down here. Rather than see them camped into a station 23/7 they are actually better off in hi-sec because they can earn without having to adapt to an under the radar method of earning, when I say I'm glad they left I mean I am glad they will be able to play the game on their terms and have a good level of enjoyment. This area is difficult if one refuses to adapt.

My medium-term plans involve putting a stop on POS bash ops until we have a +35 fleet that is well versed in the art of fleet combat. However I will say that lots of these elite pvp are not really as good as people think, they have thought up some good group tactics which they follow to the letter. This makes them good team players, when you have an organized team you can achieve lots.

Currently members of the Hub own a small % of the moons around here, the R64 moons belong to NC. and I am told each one is worth approx 3.5 billion per month.NC. have a handful of well organised alliance members and blues which enables them to keep hold of these moons.

I hope this answers your queries Kal, good luck and hoope to see you soon.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#766 - 2014-07-11 17:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Kal Murmur wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Market-wise and demographically as well, there's no collectivism going on in HZ. Nobody is being forced to give anything over. Some support is asked for and some support is offered freely (I can't do a thing with T2 blueprints I find so I give them to hub bros but that's my choice). I have not seen anybody get forced to give or do anything.


Can you just clear something up for me please? Aaron told us repeatedly that he had no interest in being a leader or indeed in Hub Zero having a leader. Yet Dracvlad has left telling us that he's handing the leader role to Aaron. What exactly is a leader in a place where there is no overall alliance structure? Is it purely down to Dracvlad and Aaron who is allowed standings and who can access the closed market?

Aaron also told us that this is not a corp or alliance and that all he wanted was for people to move there and do their thing without shooting each other. He's however ejected people from the area based on nothing more than feeling like he can't trust someone, and recently posted that he was glad some people left because they just minded their own business and didn't 'get involved'. What is Hub Zero? Is it a free trade port where anyone can go and play in null without the normal SOV pressures, or is it a vanity project for Aaron where peoples continued presence is dependent purely on Aaron deciding he wants them there?

One final question, there was much made about how this would be low visibility (ironic considering this thread) in order not to enrage the long term Stain residents who can be incredibly dangerous when roused. A couple of times however there have been mentions of knocking off POS's and moon mining in the area. Firstly, how long can you expect to do that without bringing serious fury down on you, and secondly where do the profits from those moons go to exactly?



When you see the word "Leader" what exactly comes to mind? What's the vision in your head? Is it Winston Churchill? Steve Jobs? Mao? Mittani?

The extent of interaction I have had with the "leaders" of Hub Zero is to wave at them as I pass by, and occasionally fleet with them. There are a few clandestine things I won't detail, where the leadership has shown to truly lead by example. So I don't know what you think it should be. And if we need some aspergian rock solid definition with all of the t's crossed and i's dotted and an eagle eye for the slightest deviation, I'd quit the game and become a paralegal for contract lawyers on my spare time (at least I can get paid for that effort).

What's generally going on here is that this is an in-game endeavor in which those involved have not forgotten that this is a game.

Now, as far as "bringing fury" or something - again if I had to live in fear of something in game, I'd wonder how I got to that point. There's no rule that we have to march into the gate camps of a superior force. Being hard to find and kill is still being effective for if I cannot garnish my stats, I can prevent letting myself be the stat. And if someone wants to deploy resources and time just to dump "fury" on a free port of people with mixed goals, of that the least being a power bloc or their stats, then the attention is welcome. I was honored back in 2010 when I was bouncing around the border of Esoteria and Stain with mad Russians hunting me (what was I disrupting just by being there?) with bubble camps and dictors. All that time and they never got me. So far the only ship I lost in Stain was due to being a jackwagon (of which Dracvlad at the least gained some entertainment watching my thought process go from caution to calculatingly stupid) Oops

Ultimately, I don't know what game you are playing. I don't see as much worry in Stain as you think there should be. I recommend you give it a try and if you don't like it, you can do something else. The mix of PVe that brings in ISK and PVP that brings some excitement is pretty much what NPC nullsec can sell. I would say that the experience in Stain is for the most part comparable to NPC low and nullsec. The Hub Zero endeavor is an added element that makes it easier to be there and adds to the quality of the experience. I highly recommend that anybody looking for some nullsec lifestyle (and Sansha missions too) give Hub Zero a try. At worst you lose some space bux. Endeavors like Hub Zero (and a few others that I have involved with over the years) put me in situations I never thought I would see and doing things I never thought I would do. Considering the sandbox axiom of Eve, I would say it's working as intended.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#767 - 2014-07-12 10:51:08 UTC
Kal Murmur wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Market-wise and demographically as well, there's no collectivism going on in HZ. Nobody is being forced to give anything over. Some support is asked for and some support is offered freely (I can't do a thing with T2 blueprints I find so I give them to hub bros but that's my choice). I have not seen anybody get forced to give or do anything.


Can you just clear something up for me please? Aaron told us repeatedly that he had no interest in being a leader or indeed in Hub Zero having a leader. Yet Dracvlad has left telling us that he's handing the leader role to Aaron. What exactly is a leader in a place where there is no overall alliance structure? Is it purely down to Dracvlad and Aaron who is allowed standings and who can access the closed market?

Aaron also told us that this is not a corp or alliance and that all he wanted was for people to move there and do their thing without shooting each other. He's however ejected people from the area based on nothing more than feeling like he can't trust someone, and recently posted that he was glad some people left because they just minded their own business and didn't 'get involved'. What is Hub Zero? Is it a free trade port where anyone can go and play in null without the normal SOV pressures, or is it a vanity project for Aaron where peoples continued presence is dependent purely on Aaron deciding he wants them there?

One final question, there was much made about how this would be low visibility (ironic considering this thread) in order not to enrage the long term Stain residents who can be incredibly dangerous when roused. A couple of times however there have been mentions of knocking off POS's and moon mining in the area. Firstly, how long can you expect to do that without bringing serious fury down on you, and secondly where do the profits from those moons go to exactly?


From my point of view, Hub Zero needed a leadership at what I called the core group level, this was those that were more engaged in terms of combat and other group activities, it did not need a leadership in terms of managing the people who just want to do their own thing, apart from making the decision to blue them up or not, though sometimes we have to jump in when there are issues. So in reality its being the catalyst and organiser for the core group and at times making decisions on strategy for that group, while dealing with diplomatic issues, do you understand it now?

As a side note there has been about 4 people that we accepted which were in our view a potential risk, and funny enough all 4 of them have been very very good members, one of our members came here, got some good drops and then the campers turned up and just moaned about it everuy time he logged on, he was better off going back to hisec which is what he did. Aaron was just saying that he made the best decision in doing that. It is not a vanity project for Aaron, though like anything you do in terms of Eve if you are successful it adds to your status, if you are not it adds to peoples ability to have a dig, the success of this project is as far as I am concerned being there and operating.

We did take a number of moons, we do have members holding moons, the thing about that is the level of the moon, now it may be that STFU (if they were not dying) would have a look at lower level moons having lost their main income earners to NCDOT., however they are so dead that they cannot do that. In fact I am surprised how long we have been doing this without any hassle, the only losses we had was when STFU first made their way back to Stain... We do not control where the profits from those moons go and in any case they are low level moons so the profit is not great.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#768 - 2014-07-13 07:10:11 UTC
I had a run in with a local NC. shot caller who is able to camp lots of systems simultaneously. I got into a conversation with him regarding the amount of resource and time he puts into camping the Hub and reminded him that it is only possible to camp for so long before moving on.

I can't lie, my approach was that of a troll and I continued to disparage him and his play style, I kept my insults clean because there was another camper there who enjoys petitioning people who use light swear words. Now try not to judge me too harshly here because I feel I am doing works on behalf of Hub Zero when I anger the campers with my annoying texts, I feel there is a need for someone to do some dirty work on behalf of hub zero and keep the campers angry and frustrated.

The NC. shot caller went quiet so I informed him i'd be back soon and went on about my business. I had a few errands to run in my cov ops hauler on one of my alts and I was headed up toward F9.

I decided to jump each gate with extreme caution because I knew my shot caller friend has most of the systems camped, I jump into the first system and when I uncloak I burn cloak back to the gate I just came from and get back on 0, from that point I check to see if a sabre has uncloaked and bubbled If a sabre fails to appear I warp to a safe spot a few AU from the next gate and get a Dscan to see if a sabre is there, my plan was to do that all the way to F9.

I jump into the next system and start my burn cloak back to gate then suddenly..........a sabre appears and bubbles!!.......

I type in local with my dubbed kungfu voice implying that I'm too skillful and such tactics will always fail on me. and I salute as I jump back to the system I just came from, as I moved through the slipstream vortex of the gate jump I felt good knowing I had outsmarted the shot caller and was safe. then suddenly........2 sabre's are already on the gate.........

I held cloak for about 10 seconds, then I went for the burn cloak back into the hands of the 3rd sabre waiting for me on the other side of the gate. Once I arrived back to the initial sabre the bubble went up, I did not want to burn cloak back to the other 2 sabres in the next system so I decided to burn cloak away from the bubble, I was on the edge of the first bubble and I knew I should be able to mwd/cloak and warp. Another sabre jumped in and mwd to my general direction and threw up another bubble that disabled my warp. I was still cloaked and saw that my mwd was just under half way through its cycle so i double clicked in a different direction and the cycle ended soon after.

I was going at 236mps and there were 2 sabre's trying to uncloak me. they both started at 20km away from me and they were getting closer very quickly, one of sabre's came within 6km of me and I was relieved when he started getting further away. A hub zero member was spotted by the shot caller heading in my direction to assist me and the 2 sabre's withdrew. I was safe.

I liked outsmarting my shot caller opponent and being prepared for his attack I admire his pvp skills and its cool that we can anticipate each others moves on the battlefield. I think he is annoyed that I am not afraid and he is unable to stop me earning in an area he believes is his.





Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#769 - 2014-07-13 07:25:22 UTC
Aaron wrote:
I had a run in with a local NC. shot caller who is able to camp lots of systems simultaneously. I got into a conversation with him regarding the amount of resource and time he puts into camping the Hub and reminded him that it is only possible to camp for so long before moving on.

I can't lie, my approach was that of a troll and I continued to disparage him and his play style, I kept my insults clean because there was another camper there who enjoys petitioning people who use light swear words. Now try not to judge me too harshly here because I feel I am doing works on behalf of Hub Zero when I anger the campers with my annoying texts, I feel there is a need for someone to do some dirty work on behalf of hub zero and keep the campers angry and frustrated.

The NC. shot caller went quiet so I informed him i'd be back soon and went on about my business. I had a few errands to run in my cov ops hauler on one of my alts and I was headed up toward F9.

I decided to jump each gate with extreme caution because I knew my shot caller friend has most of the systems camped, I jump into the first system and when I uncloak I burn cloak back to the gate I just came from and get back on 0, from that point I check to see if a sabre has uncloaked and bubbled If a sabre fails to appear I warp to a safe spot a few AU from the next gate and get a Dscan to see if a sabre is there, my plan was to do that all the way to F9.

I jump into the next system and start my burn cloak back to gate then suddenly..........a sabre appears and bubbles!!.......

I type in local with my dubbed kungfu voice implying that I'm too skillful and such tactics will always fail on me. and I salute as I jump back to the system I just came from, as I moved through the slipstream vortex of the gate jump I felt good knowing I had outsmarted the shot caller and was safe. then suddenly........2 sabre's are already on the gate.........

I held cloak for about 10 seconds, then I went for the burn cloak back into the hands of the 3rd sabre waiting for me on the other side of the gate. Once I arrived back to the initial sabre the bubble went up, I did not want to burn cloak back to the other 2 sabres in the next system so I decided to burn cloak away from the bubble, I was on the edge of the first bubble and I knew I should be able to mwd/cloak and warp. Another sabre jumped in and mwd to my general direction and threw up another bubble that disabled my warp. I was still cloaked and saw that my mwd was just under half way through its cycle so i double clicked in a different direction and the cycle ended soon after.

I was going at 236mps and there were 2 sabre's trying to uncloak me. they both started at 20km away from me and they were getting closer very quickly, one of sabre's came within 6km of me and I was relieved when he started getting further away. A hub zero member was spotted by the shot caller heading in my direction to assist me and the 2 sabre's withdrew. I was safe.

I liked outsmarting my shot caller opponent and being prepared for his attack I admire his pvp skills and its cool that we can anticipate each others moves on the battlefield. I think he is annoyed that I am not afraid and he is unable to stop me earning in an area he believes is his.








All that camping and hunting with sabres. And for what? PVP? Leetness? ISK?

We are not leaving.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#770 - 2014-07-13 08:49:02 UTC
Aaron wrote:
I had a run in with a local NC. shot caller who is able to camp lots of systems simultaneously. I got into a conversation with him regarding the amount of resource and time he puts into camping the Hub and reminded him that it is only possible to camp for so long before moving on.

I can't lie, my approach was that of a troll and I continued to disparage him and his play style, I kept my insults clean because there was another camper there who enjoys petitioning people who use light swear words. Now try not to judge me too harshly here because I feel I am doing works on behalf of Hub Zero when I anger the campers with my annoying texts, I feel there is a need for someone to do some dirty work on behalf of hub zero and keep the campers angry and frustrated.

The NC. shot caller went quiet so I informed him i'd be back soon and went on about my business. I had a few errands to run in my cov ops hauler on one of my alts and I was headed up toward F9.

I decided to jump each gate with extreme caution because I knew my shot caller friend has most of the systems camped, I jump into the first system and when I uncloak I burn cloak back to the gate I just came from and get back on 0, from that point I check to see if a sabre has uncloaked and bubbled If a sabre fails to appear I warp to a safe spot a few AU from the next gate and get a Dscan to see if a sabre is there, my plan was to do that all the way to F9.

I jump into the next system and start my burn cloak back to gate then suddenly..........a sabre appears and bubbles!!.......

I type in local with my dubbed kungfu voice implying that I'm too skillful and such tactics will always fail on me. and I salute as I jump back to the system I just came from, as I moved through the slipstream vortex of the gate jump I felt good knowing I had outsmarted the shot caller and was safe. then suddenly........2 sabre's are already on the gate.........

I held cloak for about 10 seconds, then I went for the burn cloak back into the hands of the 3rd sabre waiting for me on the other side of the gate. Once I arrived back to the initial sabre the bubble went up, I did not want to burn cloak back to the other 2 sabres in the next system so I decided to burn cloak away from the bubble, I was on the edge of the first bubble and I knew I should be able to mwd/cloak and warp. Another sabre jumped in and mwd to my general direction and threw up another bubble that disabled my warp. I was still cloaked and saw that my mwd was just under half way through its cycle so i double clicked in a different direction and the cycle ended soon after.

I was going at 236mps and there were 2 sabre's trying to uncloak me. they both started at 20km away from me and they were getting closer very quickly, one of sabre's came within 6km of me and I was relieved when he started getting further away. A hub zero member was spotted by the shot caller heading in my direction to assist me and the 2 sabre's withdrew. I was safe.

I liked outsmarting my shot caller opponent and being prepared for his attack I admire his pvp skills and its cool that we can anticipate each others moves on the battlefield. I think he is annoyed that I am not afraid and he is unable to stop me earning in an area he believes is his.


Nicely played Aaron, he really went for it with three sabres so you really got his back up, rather funny to be honest and very well played. Big smile

He was trying to do the same to me a few times, however I was escorting my transport ship with a T3 ready to blow the sabre to space dust so he did not risk it, since then I have changed the time I do my transport runs to be when he is getting close to sleep and act in a more random fashion..

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sky' Darkstar
Magnetar Dynamics
#771 - 2014-07-14 14:19:50 UTC
Kal Murmur wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Market-wise and demographically as well, there's no collectivism going on in HZ. Nobody is being forced to give anything over. Some support is asked for and some support is offered freely (I can't do a thing with T2 blueprints I find so I give them to hub bros but that's my choice). I have not seen anybody get forced to give or do anything.


Can you just clear something up for me please? Aaron told us repeatedly that he had no interest in being a leader or indeed in Hub Zero having a leader. Yet Dracvlad has left telling us that he's handing the leader role to Aaron. What exactly is a leader in a place where there is no overall alliance structure? Is it purely down to Dracvlad and Aaron who is allowed standings and who can access the closed market?

Aaron also told us that this is not a corp or alliance and that all he wanted was for people to move there and do their thing without shooting each other. He's however ejected people from the area based on nothing more than feeling like he can't trust someone, and recently posted that he was glad some people left because they just minded their own business and didn't 'get involved'. What is Hub Zero? Is it a free trade port where anyone can go and play in null without the normal SOV pressures, or is it a vanity project for Aaron where peoples continued presence is dependent purely on Aaron deciding he wants them there?

One final question, there was much made about how this would be low visibility (ironic considering this thread) in order not to enrage the long term Stain residents who can be incredibly dangerous when roused. A couple of times however there have been mentions of knocking off POS's and moon mining in the area. Firstly, how long can you expect to do that without bringing serious fury down on you, and secondly where do the profits from those moons go to exactly?



Maybe I can help, because it seems all you got was dribble that didn't answer your question whatsoever.

This entire thing is on borrowed time. As I posted a couple of pages ago, Aaron has attempted this in the past repeatedly, and every time it ends up with him freaking out with a very embarrassing melt down and him "shutting down" HubZero (how can you shut something down that you're not a leader of, or that has no leader?)

You hit the nail on the head with this:
What is Hub Zero? Is it a free trade port where anyone can go and play in null without the normal SOV pressures, or is it a vanity project for Aaron where peoples continued presence is dependent purely on Aaron deciding he wants them there?

It wants to be the first, but always ends up being the second.

Enjoy it while it lasts, then get out while you can.

-Sky'
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#772 - 2014-07-14 14:37:07 UTC
Sky' Darkstar wrote:
[You hit the nail on the head with this:
What is Hub Zero? Is it a free trade port where anyone can go and play in null without the normal SOV pressures, or is it a vanity project for Aaron where peoples continued presence is dependent purely on Aaron deciding he wants them there?

It wants to be the first, but always ends up being the second.

Enjoy it while it lasts, then get out while you can.

It is amusing how dramatic you are when the reality is very different. As you realise yourself, how can anyone shut something down when there are no leaders. Hub-zero is simply a collective of corps/alliances/individuals working towards a goal with a shared purpose. Anyone else is also free to sign up to this shared goal and come down to Stain, or simply come to freely operate independently at our market hubs.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#773 - 2014-07-14 14:46:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
Sky' Darkstar wrote:
Kal Murmur wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Market-wise and demographically as well, there's no collectivism going on in HZ. Nobody is being forced to give anything over. Some support is asked for and some support is offered freely (I can't do a thing with T2 blueprints I find so I give them to hub bros but that's my choice). I have not seen anybody get forced to give or do anything.


Can you just clear something up for me please? Aaron told us repeatedly that he had no interest in being a leader or indeed in Hub Zero having a leader. Yet Dracvlad has left telling us that he's handing the leader role to Aaron. What exactly is a leader in a place where there is no overall alliance structure? Is it purely down to Dracvlad and Aaron who is allowed standings and who can access the closed market?

Aaron also told us that this is not a corp or alliance and that all he wanted was for people to move there and do their thing without shooting each other. He's however ejected people from the area based on nothing more than feeling like he can't trust someone, and recently posted that he was glad some people left because they just minded their own business and didn't 'get involved'. What is Hub Zero? Is it a free trade port where anyone can go and play in null without the normal SOV pressures, or is it a vanity project for Aaron where peoples continued presence is dependent purely on Aaron deciding he wants them there?

One final question, there was much made about how this would be low visibility (ironic considering this thread) in order not to enrage the long term Stain residents who can be incredibly dangerous when roused. A couple of times however there have been mentions of knocking off POS's and moon mining in the area. Firstly, how long can you expect to do that without bringing serious fury down on you, and secondly where do the profits from those moons go to exactly?



Maybe I can help, because it seems all you got was dribble that didn't answer your question whatsoever.

This entire thing is on borrowed time. As I posted a couple of pages ago, Aaron has attempted this in the past repeatedly, and every time it ends up with him freaking out with a very embarrassing melt down and him "shutting down" HubZero (how can you shut something down that you're not a leader of, or that has no leader?)

You hit the nail on the head with this:
What is Hub Zero? Is it a free trade port where anyone can go and play in null without the normal SOV pressures, or is it a vanity project for Aaron where peoples continued presence is dependent purely on Aaron deciding he wants them there?

It wants to be the first, but always ends up being the second.

Enjoy it while it lasts, then get out while you can.


I do feel that I have made myself clear on this thread but it seems there is difficulty in understanding which I will attempt to sort now.

The area we live in has people living here who operate under an NBSI policy. I have accepted the environment down here and have adapted my playstyle to suit that making it difficult to kill me and its possible for me to go on earning.

Now, while I have no problem with folks doing their own thing when they come here what I have said is people will find that they cant work as effectively because of the hostility from the others down here. I have said many times it is difficult to live here for those of us who are not prepared to adopt an "under the radar" type playstyle.

So, the power is in your own hands if you want to stay here because not adapting equals being stuck in a station all day (no exaggeration) and adapting to the environment could equal earning more money than you've ever earned. The only time I have made a decision to ask someone to leave is when it is agreed by the other seniors that the person in question only wants to be involved so that they can disrupt Hub Zero by means of destroying our ships or working with folks who have attacked our community.

You talk of leadership, I can lead but the real question is do people coming here want to be lead?. I never said that there are no leaders down here, People who organize pvp are leaders, people who organize resource collection ops for the community are leaders.

I have to ask you Sky, why are you even here commenting? based on your texts it is apparent that you have no interest in working with the Hub to help move us forward and it seems that you do not like any sort of teamwork. Based upon your own attitude it is actually you yourself that would choose to leave here because from my point of view your destiny will be sealed by the decisions you make, It would have absolutely nothing to do with me asking you to leave.

I can't control the environment that exists here ok, give me a break.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Victor Andall
#774 - 2014-07-14 15:49:37 UTC
Aaron wrote:
I have to ask you Sky, why are you even here commenting?


OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!

Or EVE GD, whatever.

Definitely not a private blog.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
Sky' Darkstar
Magnetar Dynamics
#775 - 2014-07-14 16:02:04 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
Aaron wrote:
I have to ask you Sky, why are you even here commenting?


OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!

Or EVE GD, whatever.

Definitely not a private blog.


I think he's just upset that I am reminding people of his past emotional breakdowns over a video game.

-Sky'
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#776 - 2014-07-14 16:06:48 UTC
Sky' Darkstar wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
Aaron wrote:
I have to ask you Sky, why are you even here commenting?


OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!

Or EVE GD, whatever.

Definitely not a private blog.


I think he's just upset that I am reminding people of his past emotional breakdowns over a video game.


Nice Try. Big smile

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#777 - 2014-07-14 19:18:15 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Sky' Darkstar wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
Aaron wrote:
I have to ask you Sky, why are you even here commenting?


OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!

Or EVE GD, whatever.

Definitely not a private blog.


I think he's just upset that I am reminding people of his past emotional breakdowns over a video game.


Nice Try. Big smile



Actually more like lame try, the Eve saying "haters gonna hate" seems so appropriate for Sky methinks... Big smile

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#778 - 2014-07-14 23:26:19 UTC
Ok,

We made a few positive steps recently, as mentioned in my previous posts we have created a powerful isk friendly fleet doctrine that will be used for our defense and we have found a trader who will invest lots of isk in the specific modules required for our first and future doctrines.

I plan to talk with the community and see if I can get some of the non pvp'ers in our community involved, Maybe if I can get them to see that a secure area will provide a more pve they may decide to saddle up and assist.

Man this is so cool, like an epic sci-fi movie.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#779 - 2014-07-21 01:31:56 UTC
Hello,

We have had a couple of rough days and the vibes were a bit tense for a moment there. I feel we have found a new respect for one another and a sense of brotherhood. I think a good set of guys have come together and I look forward to what the future can bring.

We are still welcoming people here and I am very excited about whats to come. Sci-fi and gaming is just cool.

Regards,

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#780 - 2014-07-22 10:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
This was my third attempt at Hub Zero with Aaron, and while I may have another go at the concept as laid out here by myself this is the last time with Aaron and in this area. I thought Aaron had matured a bit so this would not be an abject failure, but a glorious one, but abject is what Aaron does, he is incapable of working with other leadership types, he talks over others, takes FC over others and contradicts them publicly and behind their back, yet gets upset with you if you argue back, he expects respect in spite of treating people like that and does not realise that in a game like Eve full of ego's that you have to earn that respect, and more importantly keep that respect alive.

When I resigned from leadership it was because of the reasons I laid out before, in terms of waning interest in Eve, and my timezone being out of sync with the majority, however another part of it I did not tell at the time, it was because Aaron pushed his vision of mutualisation behind my back with others when I said no to him and asked him to hold off until we had more people, I thought I would put him into the hot seat and then I expected him to fail as he has, but I did not expect him to go back to the same level of behavior that wrecked the very first Hub Zero and the version that I was involved in when I first came to 0.0 in March 2010. The resulting drama is as far as I am concerned impossible to repair and I am not really in the mood to try, as I was saying I was hoping for glorious failure and while I expected there still to be issues with Aaron which makes it a fun roller-coaster ride, I did not think that he had not moved on at all, that he had not learnt anything from before.

Finally Aaron has lied to me before, mostly due to a lack of honesty with himself, but to agree to do something then wait ten minutes after I log and then break that agreement is just amazing.

Of course this meltdown is not just Aaron, all it needs is someone to push the right buttons, and Aaron was played extremely well by another player, however his nemesis made a sentence that encapsulates the issue with Aaron "to be a leader you need to be able to follow." Aaron is unable to follow anyone else.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp