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Max Hulk yield help please

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Lvlien
The Murloc Miners
#1 - 2014-07-14 07:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lvlien
Im trying to max out my yield on my hulk according to my fitting screen it says i have a yield of 1228 accourding to EFT it says 1081 but if i use the premade all max pilot it says tield should be at 1892.

Mining 5 (+25% to yield HULK).
Astrogeology 5 (+25% to yield HULK).
Mining Barge 5 (+15% to yield HULK).
Exhumer 5 (+15% to yield HULK).
ORE PROCESSING 4 (16,17% to yield T2 CYRYSTALS).
Mining Laser Upgrades 5 (+9% to yield MLU).
Drone Interfacing 5 (+100% to yield DRONES).
Mining Drone Operation 5 (+25% to yield DRONES).

Have Highwall 5% implant
do not have micha

I also have a maxed out orca boost, but i wanna know my yield without

Fitting
High
Modulated strip miner II - T2 Crystals x3

mid slot
small shield booster II
Cap Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability field I
Survay Scanner II

low
Mining Laser upgrade IIx2

rig slot
Medium Processor overclocking unit I
Medium Ancillary Current router I


In the end please help what am i missing
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-07-14 08:01:19 UTC
ummh ....

wrong forum - try ships and modules if you want a helpful answer

Expect most answers here to be along the lines of "tank your mining barge or die" or maybe "now we know you fly untanked we will be looking for you" .
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3 - 2014-07-14 08:01:47 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
ummh ....

wrong forum - try ships and modules if you want a helpful answer

Expect most answers here to be along the lines of "tank your mining barge or die" or maybe "now we know you fly untanked we will be looking for you" .


And also "watchlisted".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-07-14 08:14:23 UTC
Lvlien wrote:



In the end please help what am i missing


Your tank.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lvlien
The Murloc Miners
#5 - 2014-07-14 08:14:47 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
ummh ....

wrong forum - try ships and modules if you want a helpful answer

Expect most answers here to be along the lines of "tank your mining barge or die" or maybe "now we know you fly untanked we will be looking for you" .


thats why im here to get the advice, i stopped playing cause i got bored with mining its just gottin redundent
Authorised Permit Seller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-07-14 08:17:09 UTC
Please remember, the best tank for a miner is a permit tank.

Talk to me today about buying yours.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-07-14 08:17:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
ummh ....

wrong forum - try ships and modules if you want a helpful answer

Expect most answers here to be along the lines of "tank your mining barge or die" or maybe "now we know you fly untanked we will be looking for you" .


And also "watchlisted".


Nah.
Far too obvious trap.
OP's character is 5 years old, he wouldn't be that stupid.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-07-14 08:20:12 UTC
Lvlien wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
ummh ....

wrong forum - try ships and modules if you want a helpful answer

Expect most answers here to be along the lines of "tank your mining barge or die" or maybe "now we know you fly untanked we will be looking for you" .


thats why im here to get the advice, i stopped playing cause i got bored with mining its just gottin redundent


Then why are you trying to get advice about mining instead of trying to find something else less boring to do?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-07-14 08:32:09 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lvlien wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
ummh ....

wrong forum - try ships and modules if you want a helpful answer

Expect most answers here to be along the lines of "tank your mining barge or die" or maybe "now we know you fly untanked we will be looking for you" .


thats why im here to get the advice, i stopped playing cause i got bored with mining its just gottin redundent


Then why are you trying to get advice about mining instead of trying to find something else less boring to do?


Insanity... Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. Mining is something you do on your second screen or in the backgroubnd, while playing something else/doing something else. This is why you dont want max yield, but max tank.
Lvlien
The Murloc Miners
#10 - 2014-07-14 08:33:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Then why are you trying to get advice about mining instead of trying to find something else less boring to do?

Was seeing if there was a way to make it a little more entertaining but from what ive gathered its not so maybe ill move to solitude and do pvp



Fixed quoting. ISD Ezwal.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-07-14 08:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Lvlien wrote:



Was seeing if there was a way to make it a little more entertaining but from what ive gathered its not so maybe ill move to solitude and do pvp


In that case, I would advise finding someone who can show you the ropes of PVP first, someone who is encouraging rather than belittling, before you go jumping balls-deep into PVP, if you've done nothing but mine previously.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-07-14 08:42:17 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lvlien wrote:



Was seeing if there was a way to make it a little more entertaining but from what ive gathered its not so maybe ill move to solitude and do pvp


In that case, I would advise finding someone who can show you the ropes of PVP first, someone who is encouraging rather than belittling, before you go jumping balls-deep into PVP, if you've done nothing but mine previously.


C*mon, it's basically the same thing. Lock up the target, activate tank, activate scanner (ewar), start mining the target with lazers, get killed 8 seconds later.
Lvlien
The Murloc Miners
#13 - 2014-07-14 08:42:34 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lvlien wrote:



Was seeing if there was a way to make it a little more entertaining but from what ive gathered its not so maybe ill move to solitude and do pvp


In that case, I would advise finding someone who can show you the ropes of PVP first, someone who is encouraging rather than belittling, before you go jumping balls-deep into PVP, if you've done nothing but mine previously.


i had a couple friends that have been playing for a while i may take them up on it
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-07-14 08:58:25 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lvlien wrote:



Was seeing if there was a way to make it a little more entertaining but from what ive gathered its not so maybe ill move to solitude and do pvp


In that case, I would advise finding someone who can show you the ropes of PVP first, someone who is encouraging rather than belittling, before you go jumping balls-deep into PVP, if you've done nothing but mine previously.


C*mon, it's basically the same thing. Lock up the target, activate tank, activate scanner (ewar), start mining the target with lazers, get killed 8 seconds later.


Heh, sometimes that's quite true, but not always. Some fights can be quite multi-tasking intensive, especially when you're up against bad odds.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#15 - 2014-07-14 09:07:31 UTC
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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#16 - 2014-07-14 09:56:19 UTC
Where exactly are you mining?

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Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#17 - 2014-07-14 11:20:28 UTC
Lvlien wrote:
Im trying to max out my yield on my hulk according to my fitting screen it says i have a yield of 1228 accourding to EFT it says 1081 but if i use the premade all max pilot it says tield should be at 1892.

Mining 5 (+25% to yield HULK).
Astrogeology 5 (+25% to yield HULK).
Mining Barge 5 (+15% to yield HULK).
Exhumer 5 (+15% to yield HULK).
ORE PROCESSING 4 (16,17% to yield T2 CYRYSTALS).
Mining Laser Upgrades 5 (+9% to yield MLU).
Drone Interfacing 5 (+100% to yield DRONES).
Mining Drone Operation 5 (+25% to yield DRONES).

Have Highwall 5% implant
do not have micha

I also have a maxed out orca boost, but i wanna know my yield without

Fitting
High
Modulated strip miner II - T2 Crystals x3

mid slot
small shield booster II
Cap Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability field I
Survay Scanner II

low
Mining Laser upgrade IIx2

rig slot
Medium Processor overclocking unit I
Medium Ancillary Current router I


In the end please help what am i missing


I will give you a serious answer. Smile Not long ago you could buy a Hulk for less than 230 million. The price is now rapidly approaching 300 million ISK so you need to fit it properly or not at all.

The short answer is that the rigs you have fitted mean you have not trained up your ancillary skills for CPU, PG, rigs, and usage bonuses for CPU. I'm not going to list them for you. Whatever you fly you need most of those skills to level V really.

The long answer is you shouldn't be fitting your ship for maximum yield but for the best yield you can get with the best tank possible as well. Therefore don't bother trying to figure out what is the maximum yield. In additional to the following ship fit you should be using D-scan, choosing good location/s, and gathering local intel. If you choose to mine in 'CODE' space then it may be wise to purchase a ship permit.

*Disclaimer - I have no connection with CODE agents and purely state what would be most logical to do.* Smile

The following ship fitting is what you should be using :

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
T2 Mining Crystals.

Survey Scanner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Mining Drone II x5
T2 Small Drones x5. (To suit NPC rats eg Warrior II for Angel Cartel etc.)

Modules to repair shields or improve shield recharge & rigs to improve shield recharge should NEVER be fitted.

This fitting with full Orca support with a Shield Harmonizing link will give you over 21,000 EHP and Thermic & Kinetic resistances over 85%. Dependent on system sec status it will survive a single T2 Catalyst suicide gank. In terms of ship defence and not gimping your yield this is the best available fitting.

If you can't fly this leave your Hulk in dock and fly something else.


Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#18 - 2014-07-14 12:43:45 UTC
Lvlien wrote:
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Drone Interfacing 5 (+100% to yield DRONES).
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In the end please help what am i missing

This may be a part of your disparity - Drone Interfacing was modified to in Kronos to provide only a 50% boost; the difference in combat drone damage...etc. was made up by increasing the base drone stats but it's quite possible (likely) that mining drones were missed and therefore that your drone yield is only 75% of what you might expect.

The difference between your yield and your [All Level V] yield in EFT is a concern however, I cannot see what might make such a difference. I would suggest updating the API in the character editor just to confirm that all of your skills are listed (perhaps you have an older version of yourself loaded).
I'm not sure how the fitting screen lists yield but EFT lists /minute IIRC - perhaps the units are an explanation of the difference between the two.

I would suggest more meat to your fit but that's a choice you have to make for yourself based on when and where you mine.
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#19 - 2014-07-14 16:26:49 UTC
Do you have the latest version of EFT?

are you looking at m3 per minute or m3 per strip per cycle?
Lvlien
The Murloc Miners
#20 - 2014-07-14 20:58:14 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Where exactly are you mining?



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