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Mittani: Greifers drive away new players

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#281 - 2014-07-13 20:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Andski wrote:
there was no "skillque" in 2003


There was no need, EVE died back then because greifers drove everyone away.

Hey in other news, I hear Ultima Online is still waiting for that wave of new players after they gutted the core of their game and delt with those dirty greifers.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#282 - 2014-07-13 20:52:17 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
then again, we're attributing common sense with the group of players earning the least isk/hour, who often tell new players to mine because it's 'good isk'. It's kinda things like that which ruin the game for new players too - being flat out lied to by clueless people.


Is there another way to make ISK in highsec? I'm not earning very much doing level 4's, but I can make ~10M per hour from mining. Most manufacturing for beginners winds up as a net loss, so no profit there either. I can't imagine FW being very productive as well.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#283 - 2014-07-13 20:54:57 UTC
Brian Harrelstein wrote:


Is there another way to make ISK in highsec? I'm not earning very much doing level 4's, but I can make ~10M per hour from mining. Most manufacturing for beginners winds up as a net loss, so no profit there either. I can't imagine FW being very productive as well.


OK I may not be doing them right, but I seem to earn well in excess of 10m/hour on Lvl4s

What are you doing them in?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
FurBurger PotPie
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#284 - 2014-07-13 20:56:05 UTC
"That's two fixes right off the top of my head: a proper gated newbie zone monitored by GMs/ISDs to help schmooze and retain new players, and removing the hisec awoxing Concord loophole so hisec corps (usually the first groups a new player would join) don't have to be so paranoid and hostile."

The gated newbie zone might work, but how would you differentiate a true new player from the hundreds of alts created by existing players? Seems a horde of griefer alts could disrupt most anything. Fly into a mission and grab the objective, bump miners off asteroids, and a dozen other things they could do to flush the NPE down the tubes.
The second idea however is quite good. With the limited engagement mechanic in place, there's no real reason to keep the loophole where attacking a corpmate is ok. The loophole once served to help corps test fits, teach PVP to rookies, and other useful purposes, but with the LE, the loophole is redundant and dangerous. You could still awox in Hisec, but it would require your corpie to accept the duel invitation.
Brigitte
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#285 - 2014-07-13 21:03:16 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Brigitte wrote:
Quote:
If you think newbies should be exposed to all of the power/awfulness of New Eden when they haven't even finished learning what the **** the skill queue is, you're not a businessman. You're also an idiot and obsessed with 'principles' which will eventually kill Eve.


Word.


If it takes you more than than 5 minutes to understand what the skill queue is.....

Brigitte wrote:
Quote:
You're also an idiot


Word.


So what you sayin then? Eve is easy to learn? You hop in and it's fun? I despise people like you. You take my comment, do stupid **** with it and you think you're smart.

Eve is just a videogame my friend, a stagnating videogame. If you have nothing to say go being a smartass somewhere else.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#286 - 2014-07-13 21:04:11 UTC
Brigitte wrote:
Eve is just a videogame my friend, a stagnating videogame.

Ah, the cousin of the eve is dying argument.

Another classic of general discussion

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Brigitte
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#287 - 2014-07-13 21:07:10 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Brigitte wrote:
Eve is just a videogame my friend, a stagnating videogame.

Ah, the cousin of the eve is dying argument.

Another classic of general discussion


http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#288 - 2014-07-13 21:09:07 UTC
Brigitte wrote:

So what you sayin then? Eve is easy to learn? You hop in and it's fun? I despise people like you. You take my comment, do stupid **** with it and you think you're smart.


EVE is really easy, actually. It just requires a willingness to actually do your homework.

But the game itself? Brutally easy.


Quote:

Eve is just a videogame my friend, a stagnating videogame. If you have nothing to say go being a smartass somewhere else.


If you're going to crusade for pointless change to make yourself feel better about your own poor choices, get lost.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#289 - 2014-07-13 21:11:01 UTC
Brigitte wrote:


So what you sayin then? Eve is easy to learn? You hop in and it's fun? I despise people like you. You take my comment, do stupid **** with it and you think you're smart.

Eve is just a videogame my friend, a stagnating videogame. If you have nothing to say go being a smartass somewhere else.


Way to over-react

I said the skill queue hardly takes a master-mind

If you find it difficult, then perhaps it is you who should go elsewhere, friend.

But, for the sake of your pets and kids, I suggest you calm down first.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#290 - 2014-07-13 21:11:55 UTC
Brigitte wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Brigitte wrote:
Eve is just a videogame my friend, a stagnating videogame.

Ah, the cousin of the eve is dying argument.

Another classic of general discussion


http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



They really should shut that site down.

Every mental deficient with an axe to grind, or social justice warrior trying to bubble wrap the game sees concurrency numbers and thinks that they mean a goddamned thing.

It's summer. They have a.l.w.a.y.s. fallen in summer. L2Historical trends, bro.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#291 - 2014-07-13 21:15:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Brigitte wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Brigitte wrote:
Eve is just a videogame my friend, a stagnating videogame.

Ah, the cousin of the eve is dying argument.

Another classic of general discussion


http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



They really should shut that site down.

Every mental deficient with an axe to grind, or social justice warrior trying to bubble wrap the game sees concurrency numbers and thinks that they mean a goddamned thing.

It's summer. They have a.l.w.a.y.s. fallen in summer. L2Historical trends, bro.


Except that the record was set in May.
Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#292 - 2014-07-13 21:36:15 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Except that the record was set in May.


Summer doesn't technically start until late June.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#293 - 2014-07-13 21:36:35 UTC
Ocih wrote:

Except that the record was set in May.


The month of May is in the Spring Season, unless you're in the Southern Hemisphere.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Brigitte
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#294 - 2014-07-13 21:39:10 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Brigitte wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Brigitte wrote:
Eve is just a videogame my friend, a stagnating videogame.

Ah, the cousin of the eve is dying argument.

Another classic of general discussion


http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



They really should shut that site down.

Every mental deficient with an axe to grind, or social justice warrior trying to bubble wrap the game sees concurrency numbers and thinks that they mean a goddamned thing.

It's summer. They have a.l.w.a.y.s. fallen in summer. L2Historical trends, bro.


1.1 2011 - 35 000 online
1.1 2012 - 30 000 online
1.1 2013 - 34 000 online
1.1 2014 - 33 000 online

Does it look like there's more people playing eve every year?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#295 - 2014-07-13 21:41:20 UTC
Brigitte wrote:


1.1 2011 - 35 000 online
1.1 2012 - 30 000 online
1.1 2013 - 34 000 online
1.1 2014 - 33 000 online

Does it look like there's more people playing eve every year?



Does it look like there's less? Looks around the same, give or take

Im sure that one third of a percent is all the proof anyone needs that EvE are dyingTM

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Brigitte
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#296 - 2014-07-13 21:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Brigitte
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Does it look like there's less? Looks around the same, give or take

Im sure that one third of a percent is all the proof anyone needs that EvE are dyingTM


Yeah, it's been same for 4 years. I did not say it's dying, I said it's stagnating, and if it looks same for 4 years, it is stagnating..that's pretty obvious ain't it
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#297 - 2014-07-13 21:49:30 UTC
Brigitte wrote:


1.1 2011 - 35 000 online
1.1 2012 - 30 000 online
1.1 2013 - 34 000 online
1.1 2014 - 33 000 online

Does it look like there's more people playing eve every year?



It would be nice to see the numbers steadily rising, but they aren't really falling either.

I think the game has peaked. Without radical change it's unlikely that we'll see much change one way or the other. EVE has pretty much attracted everyone it ever will. Fortunately they are a dedicated bunch and it doesn't seem like they'll be bailing any time soon. Even the rage quitters come back with their tail between their legs after they think no one will notice.

While more people playing would be good to see, I just don't think it's going to happen.

Mr Epeen Cool
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#298 - 2014-07-13 21:53:29 UTC  |  Edited by: KnowUsByTheDead
Brigitte wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Does it look like there's less? Looks around the same, give or take

Im sure that one third of a percent is all the proof anyone needs that EvE are dyingTM


Yeah, it's been same for 4 years. I did not say it's dying, I said it's stagnating, and if it looks same for 4 years, it is stagnating..that's pretty obvious ain't it


And Ironically, it has been that way since the release of their last addition of fully new content.

But in order to progress the game, they have to finish a decade of half-finished features.

L2EvEHistory.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#299 - 2014-07-13 21:54:59 UTC
Li Quiao wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
http://themittani.com/content/traffic-control-newbie-zone

Not even a troll, honest.


Getting tips on improving the newbie experience from a Goonswam leader is like getting home security tips from Charles Manson.

Goonswarm has a very positive attitude towards newbies and shower them in isk and ships and make them FC right off the bat. There is a reason why you all complain about the "Goon Zerg". Those players come from somewhere
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#300 - 2014-07-13 21:55:01 UTC
Hey Chribba it'd be nice if your graphs had labeled horizontal axes. We'd really appreciate it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)