Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Haha, someone just checked the OP and didn't see the rest of the posts before they immediately posted blue donut arguments

If anyone here wants to see some of these ideas implemented to fix Sov, the old boys club, the power brokers, the key leadership behind the major alliances and coalitions need to get behind a petition to CCP.

Go ahead and scoff: that will never happen.

I say: how can it not happen?

All of these changes suggested here directly impact how the powers that be conduct business in 0.0. How can they possibly afford not to get involved?

Every day less players log in to EvE. This is a fact. Why? Because EVE is 100% dependent upon player-driven content. Less activity = less content.

Ask yourself: is your corp suffering from some level of inactivity? Join the club. Times that by a thousand and try to imagine how bad inactivity is for a coalition.

Now tell me sov-holding leadership is not interested in backing some serious changes to bring members back online.

If the blue donut can come together to fabricate staged PvP battles (thunderdome), why can't they agree to some critical changes to fix 0.0?

If you think CCP doesn't consider 0.0 a priority because the majority of players are HS bears, you couldn't be more wrong. I believe most HS bears play EvE because something like 0.0 exists. Its EVE's end game. When the end game goes down the drain, everything in between ceases to matter.

The EvE community has come together to critically affect CCP's game development plan. Its been done before - it can be done again.

Seems to me like a portion of those alliances is participating in this thread and CCP is certainly watching it.

All that remains to be done on our part is to have the most in depth and productive conversation possible.

Bump.
But i guess this will after they will rebalance capital ships for the fifth time.

Just throwing this out there for discussion, but I want to come at this from a slightly different angle just to explore the idea. (And I think this would have to go with some power projection nerfs too)

What if we just removed SOV and/or executor corps altogether?

Let anyone build a supper/get SOV benefits anywhere in 0.0 and let anyone put up deployables to upgrade any space. Get rid of this whole artificial concept of “official” SOV. Want a system, well take it. Move the other people out. But there’s no Ihub or structures to to shoot (grind) to get them to fight? Right, you want to fight them… move in. Actually place people or corps to live there until the other guy has to fight or leave. It’s the way much of lowsec and NPC Null works now and it generates fights all the time. But the “renters won’t fight”… well teach them or actually protect them then.

Next, one of the biggest complaints about 0.0 is that it's "stagnate". Not that nobody moves (or perhaps moves too much), just that the power blocks are set and only really seem to fall from internal pressures. Well why do things that help decrease those pressures? Many of the 0.0 pilots I talk to identify with their alliance more than their corps now, it seems the more tools we give to alliance management, the more alliances become the new corps. There just isn't much internal alliance drama outside of personal epeen grudges.

But what if you removed the executor corp (if you could?) and replaced it with a treaty system instead? Make the alliances more "loose" in their membership. That way the assets the mega alliances have now would still exist, but they would be even more in the hands of the corps that actually controlled them, and they would have to be given to the alliance voluntarily. With “SOV” now just being the corps that live somewhere and keep others out, the mega alliances would start to have huge internal pressures on them if they grew to big. Why would X corp now fly 30 jumps to protect Y corps moons, if Y is getting most of the income (or suspected to be hold some back from the alliance, see more political drama). Sure they might still, but they also might think twice out it. Or if the treaty that set up the alliance permitted it, X corp, could even attack Y corp to fight over assets within the alliance. If Z corp has most of the suppers, why should they risk them over M corps anoms? Would they abandon allies in a fight? And would the rest of the alliance care if they are dependent on Z corps suppers? Perhaps, or perhaps not, but the possibilities would all be there, possibilities that don't seem to happen much now.

It just seems that the more tools we give for helping alliances to manage themselves the less reasons people seem to have to fight one another outside of the personal grudges of a few alliance leaders. But “we will still have mega alliances, it will just be more work”, well how much work are you willing to do for what size? Is it worth all the “work” to organize 3000 people now if 1500 will do? Why not let the huge amount of effort to run huge alliance be an upper cap itself?

SoV needs something and I hope CCP doesn't mess it up.

I had an idea of having the ships being jumped to the cyno using the cyno ships capacitor based off of mass of whats coming through the cyno. This would allow people to neut out a cyno ship to prevent the entire fleet from jumping in, but the first couple ships jumping through could just cap xfer the cyno ship. The big thing about this is people wouldn't be able to use a rookie ship to instantly drop 250 battleships. It would actually give cap batteries some use as well on cyno boats to allow a larger fleet to jump through.

Too easily gamed. The first ship through will just light a cyno and cap inject to maintain it.

JF are part of power projection, a very important one.

IF CCP ever will nerf the cyno you can also power project using their cargo space.

Lets assume you want to move 200 people from point A to point B.
Moving people is easy, and should be quite easy after those changes.
So the only what do you need is 200 interceptors , and people will arrive safe and fast.

Now those people need ships.
So Attack Cruisers, why?
10k m3 packaged.
Rest of equipment and T1 Rigs <1k m3
300k m3 in each JF, this gives 27 ships for each person.
So 8 JF is capable to move ships for those people, and some additional equipment.
In those 8 JF there will be still enough place for a small tower, fuel , and installations to fit those ships.

Yes this is more demanding op than current , pack up carrier and jump to cyno , but it is still possible , and will be abused.

Now we have 2 blocks.
NCPL base on capitals
CFC base on numbers.

Nerfing capitals, and leaving JF intact could be just unfair for NCPL.

I already suggested new gates, and different gate sizes.
Whole idea, is that we move stuff in this kind of way :
- jump freighter to nearest "smugglers gate" , or place where JF is safe.
- split stuff to smaller industrial ships capable of moving goods by smugglers gate to lowsec , or to a place where next JF will be capable to pick it up, or directly to higsec if it is close enough.

No more 1-4 pilots doing logistics for the whole alliance.
You will have to actually guard those industrials.

QFT.

30 pages of people bending over backwards to nerf JFs for some strange reason. People proposed fuel alchemy, magical fuel teleporting npcs, and other ridiculous notions which just don't make sense in the wider context of eve. You "fix" (debatable) one thing and break twelve others.

There are two paradigms you can take in a sov system. Dynamic Sov or Stagnant Sov.

Stagnant Sov is what you have now in nullsec. Horrific ehp grinds with timers measured in days. Multiply that by every single system in a given region, and you seriously ask why there's no sov level conflict, why everything stagnates? If you make sov warfare a miserable thing, are you really surprised when players en mass choose the status quo?

Dynamic Sov is what you have (or had before the latest batch of changes in Kronos) in fac war. By now everyone knows about cyclical fac war. First Gallente takes all of caldari sov, then caldari rally and strike back. Minmatar asserted dominance, then Amarr surged, and Minmatar regrouped to gain dominance again. Change, potentially rapid change, was the name of the game.

During the first gallente offensive where we took all Caldari systems, we would occasionally have supers knock out a hub for us on some nights. It was nice, but not necessary because a small number of subcaps could reasonably kill the hub and flip a system too.

The reason you have massive super fleets, dread fleets, etc. is that you must have them in order to do the horrific structure grind in sov in a timely fashion. Moreover, fail one timer, and you have to do the whole thing over again. And your opponent has days in advance to form up. You need to bring the hammer; there is no alternative. And you need to do this for each system, every system that your opponent contests.


Reduce sov structure ehp, reduce timer duration, draw inspiration from fac war to create a system where sov changes can happen quickly, and power projection will solve itself. Why drop a super fleet when 40 cruisers can knock out an objective in the time it takes you to move your super fleet? Even if a massive coalition was to send out fifty 40-man fleets to reinforce a region or two, when they leave my small group will simply retake our home. Occupancy correlating to ownership will become a fact of life and renting will go the way of the dodo.