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Mittani: Greifers drive away new players

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Dave Stark
#261 - 2014-07-13 16:41:54 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
The NPE should insist on the newly minted newbie leaving the newbie corporation. No more of this newbie forever silliness disguised as being a helping hand.

And, how does that help them to learn about the game or bounce back from early failures?


'Vet' players still in noob corps only serve one purpose, to misinform new players.

Any new player would learn far more by just getting out of the kiddie pool.


or they're a miner, who has 0 reason to ever leave the npc corp.


If that were true, I'd actually see miners in npc corps. Its a rare sight for me.


mine used to be, before i stopped mining.

then again, we're attributing common sense with the group of players earning the least isk/hour, who often tell new players to mine because it's 'good isk'. It's kinda things like that which ruin the game for new players too - being flat out lied to by clueless people.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2014-07-13 16:42:52 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:

Petty spite is the motive behind most of EVE activity. It doesn't help EVE either but I don't see how CCP can nerf spite.


Yeah mining and missioning and FW and Market Trading and ship spinning are all driven by spite, confirmed



According to moontani and his hit squad, those aren't EVE though. Those are the activities of the evil carebears that would destroy EVE.

Nobody said anything of the sort.

Sisohiv wrote:
And you are going to find I make it easy to shoot holes in every thing I write. it helps me to establish who is being contrary for the sake of contrary.

"I'm doing this intentionally, I swear."
Yeah okay, we believe you.



If Moontani were a politician, this would be called a flip flop.
You like so many in your alliance now pull out the moontani cheerlearder flag and start the chant. It doesn't matter that every thing he said contradicts everything he said 6 months ago because you people don't even register the information.

Goons don't want new players, they want new slaves. New minions like you with no more brains than a big dog who will fetch and roll over on command.

Sadly there are no more of those on the internet. The rest like to think for themselves and be individuals. They could be tempted in to playing EVE but pulling the wool over their eyes by insulating them from real EVE for an extra month? Won't help. They will still leave because the game is rooted in communist dictatorship at a mechanical level that forces players to give up all control of how they play for the greater good and in a video game setting it translates to horrible game play and boring timers.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#263 - 2014-07-13 16:46:54 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
They will still leave because the game is rooted in communist dictatorship at a mechanical level that forces players to give up all control of how they play for the greater good and in a video game setting it translates to horrible game play and boring timers.


This statement does not fit with your previous one.

Infact, it almost directly contradicts it.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2014-07-13 16:49:30 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
They will still leave because the game is rooted in communist dictatorship at a mechanical level that forces players to give up all control of how they play for the greater good and in a video game setting it translates to horrible game play and boring timers.


This statement does not fit with your previous one.

Infact, it almost directly contradicts it.


And this is forum war now.

Think what you want. I don't care.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#265 - 2014-07-13 16:51:53 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
They will still leave because the game is rooted in communist dictatorship at a mechanical level that forces players to give up all control of how they play for the greater good and in a video game setting it translates to horrible game play and boring timers.


This statement does not fit with your previous one.

Infact, it almost directly contradicts it.


And this is forum war now.

Think what you want. I don't care.


What?

If you are arguing with anyone, its yourself. Im just pointing out the places where you are not making any sense.

Also, what is a forum war?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#266 - 2014-07-13 17:02:10 UTC
whats moontani
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#267 - 2014-07-13 18:04:58 UTC
Well...huh.

This scrubpubbie finds himself in agreement with the lord of the bees.

Interesting...



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Prince Kobol
#268 - 2014-07-13 18:22:26 UTC
This thread makes me laugh.

There is so much hate its not a discussion but more of a Religious battle.

Everybody believes there way is the right way and everybody is wrong and there is no room for any kind of meeting in the middle.

Simple fact is Eve has never been and will never cater to the masses and will always struggle to keep hold of new players.

The very nature of the game, the way it is advertised by CCP and the communities attitude to new characters will always ensure a high rate of new player attrition.
Blobskillz McBlub
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2014-07-13 18:23:08 UTC
I think it's really funny to see that people out of principle disagree with mittani just so they can say he's wrong, about something that everybody with half a brain can see is obviously broken and useless like the eve tutorial.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#270 - 2014-07-13 18:23:46 UTC
The Mittani last year. "CCP learned from Monocle Gate, not to give up on their core principles."

The Mittani today. "zOMG Griefers!! ... Save us CCP, ur so dumb."


Can't wait till he's selling you $30 pixel shoes. :D

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#271 - 2014-07-13 18:29:06 UTC
All newspapers are stupid

Im not sure if that makes their readership worse, but editorialising on an editorial is rather futile

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#272 - 2014-07-13 20:07:32 UTC
This article is among the worst pieces of text I ever had the horror to read. Newbie zones...
I think he just trolls CCP and sees if they are biteing....at least I hope he does.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#273 - 2014-07-13 20:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Sisohiv wrote:
Goons don't want new players, they want new slaves. New minions like you with no more brains than a big dog who will fetch and roll over on command.

We make our own NPE for our newbees. That's why they become elite blobbers and not highsec miners or mission runners.

As they say, the buzzsaw has many teeth

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Brigitte
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#274 - 2014-07-13 20:12:21 UTC
Quote:
If you think newbies should be exposed to all of the power/awfulness of New Eden when they haven't even finished learning what the **** the skill queue is, you're not a businessman. You're also an idiot and obsessed with 'principles' which will eventually kill Eve.


Word.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#275 - 2014-07-13 20:13:49 UTC
these are my favourite threads :3
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#276 - 2014-07-13 20:25:32 UTC
Brigitte wrote:
Quote:
If you think newbies should be exposed to all of the power/awfulness of New Eden when they haven't even finished learning what the **** the skill queue is, you're not a businessman. You're also an idiot and obsessed with 'principles' which will eventually kill Eve.


Word.


If it takes you more than than 5 minutes to understand what the skill queue is.....

Brigitte wrote:
Quote:
You're also an idiot


Word.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#277 - 2014-07-13 20:35:15 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


If it takes you more than than 5 minutes to understand what the skill queue is.....



Hey now...

It was three days before I figured out I should be training a skill. In my defense, Aura wasn't very helpful back in 2006.

Or I'm just an idiot.

Mr Epeen Cool
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#278 - 2014-07-13 20:36:45 UTC
EVE Is Dying (™) in 2003 because people got shot before they learned the extremely complex and involved skillque.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#279 - 2014-07-13 20:39:39 UTC
there was no "skillque" in 2003

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#280 - 2014-07-13 20:44:43 UTC
Heh, I see how the joke is coming together

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?