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Earning skillpoints, or, the solution to all of EVE's ills.

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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#21 - 2014-07-13 11:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
EvE's skill system is reasonably fair and as far as I know cannot be exploited but you are proposing tying it into an easily botable activity. Not only making it very easily exploitable but also ensuring those of us who cannot stomach EvE's PvE content any more are either forced into doing it or are penalized for not doing so.

How is creating SP farming in any way approaching a good idea?

Many things may need to be fixed and adjusted in this game the way we gain SP isn't one of them.

Not supported.

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Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#22 - 2014-07-13 12:22:11 UTC
Sweet Jeebus on a stick did this thread really just happen?....

The amount of SP you expect to be rewarded is kind of hilarious too. Knock it down to about 5% of that if you want to sound reasonable.

OP.... How many other games do you play that let you do whatever the hell you want to have fun while "grinding"?

SP gain isn't linked to anything else in the game. Only SP loss occurs by activities you choose to do such as not upgrading your medical clone and dying or flying a T3 and dying.

You get to level up for free, 24 hours a day.... None of your time needs to be invested in menial tasks for the sake of a goddamn arbitrary number. How many other MMO's let you do that? How many other MMO's respect you as a human being and give you the option to do something more rewarding with your time, which I'm sure you value quite highly, than mind-fistingly redundant treadmill tasks? Do you like being treated like a donkey? Is having the promise of a carrot (there is no reward in a progression table, it's a ******* ruse.) offered to you for menial labor more rewarding than achieving goals you set for yourself as an individual?

There isn't even a cap on progression. You can progress for free, indefinitely. CCP gives you the service of leveling up your character when you pay them your monthly fee, so that you can spend your time enjoying the game. You paid for this benefit that, so far as I know, is not offered by any other MMO because they want you logged in for as many hours a day as possible.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#23 - 2014-07-13 12:30:33 UTC
Maximum Entropy
Entropic Principal
#24 - 2014-07-13 12:31:53 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:


You get to level up for free, 24 hours a day....

You can progress for free, indefinitely.


Wrong, and wrong. Did you bold this to show how wrong you were? The game is not free to play, it either costs money, or grinding ISK in game in order to play. (And it is GRINDING.) And you cannot progress for free, because progression requires (eventually) HUGE amounts of ISK, and time. And neither are free.

Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Maximum Entropy
Entropic Principal
#25 - 2014-07-13 12:34:57 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
How exactly would those players who do not want to mission gain sp with this proposal? I hit anomolies, mine, manufacture, invent, explore and trade. None of these activities involve missions which bore me (other than the storyline ones). Would a plyer like myself now have to run missions to gain skills?

Ed: i just noticed the last line of the op that I didn't see before (guess i read before it was edited in) so i will clarify. Why should a player who partakes of one element i.e. missions gain sp faster than a player like myself who enjoys at least six other elements of the game? By that logic I should be gaining six times the sp bonus that the missioner does. Not a good idea...


The same way players who don't do FW get hundres of thousands of LP. They don't. The same way players don't mine all day in null-sec systems get billions worth of ore. They don't. The same way players who don't manufacture capitals get to sell them to other players for billions of isk. They don't. The same way people who don't use the margin trading scams make millions off new players. They don't.

Welcome to reality.

Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#26 - 2014-07-13 12:40:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Bohneik Itohn
Maximum Entropy wrote:
Bohneik Itohn wrote:


You get to level up for free, 24 hours a day....

You can progress for free, indefinitely.


Wrong, and wrong. Did you bold this to show how wrong you were? The game is not free to play, it either costs money, or grinding ISK in game in order to play. (And it is GRINDING.) And you cannot progress for free, because progression requires (eventually) HUGE amounts of ISK, and time. And neither are free.



You pay for access to the servers. That's the only thing you get for your subscription in any MMO. Anything beyond that is gratis.

Edit: Oh, and your sense of grandiose entitlement for obsessively wasting your time with an activity that, at the end of the day, contributes nothing significant to... Well... Anything.... Is nauseating...

Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!  - Freyya

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Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#27 - 2014-07-13 12:52:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
Absolutely silly thread... ISD must be on a birthday party or something or enjoy a good cold one while watching this and warming up the hammer. Cheers mates *wave* - Gonna fire up the grill too.

And to the OP, you realize, that if you have everything all the time without doing anything that there is no progression at all ?
Don't try to argue with people that have some idea about what they are actually talking about. Are you just making stuff up now because you feel backed in a corner ? Understandable psychological behavior, but come on, we are not in the 2nd grade school yard.
All I see are ad hominum attacks, arguments from ignorance, from personal experience and strawman fallacies, probably could check for some more if you like.
Maximum Entropy
Entropic Principal
#28 - 2014-07-13 12:54:36 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Maximum Entropy wrote:
Bohneik Itohn wrote:


You get to level up for free, 24 hours a day....

You can progress for free, indefinitely.


Wrong, and wrong. Did you bold this to show how wrong you were? The game is not free to play, it either costs money, or grinding ISK in game in order to play. (And it is GRINDING.) And you cannot progress for free, because progression requires (eventually) HUGE amounts of ISK, and time. And neither are free.



You pay for access to the servers. That's the only thing you get for your subscription in any MMO. Anything beyond that is gratis.


Yea, no. I could "ping" the servers for network "access." You pay to play the game, which is why CCP employs GMs, to make sure that can happen.

Man I wish EVE forum users had even a modicum of intelligence.

Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#29 - 2014-07-13 13:02:56 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Absolutely silly thread... ISD must be on a birthday party or something or enjoy a good cold one while watching this and warming up the hammer. Cheers mates *wave* - Gonna fire up the grill too.

And to the OP, you realize, that if you have everything all the time without doing anything that there is no progression at all ?
Don't try to argue with people that have some idea about what they are actually talking about. Are you just making stuff up now because you feel backed in a corner ? Understandable psychological behavior, but come on, we are not in the 2nd grade school yard.
All I see are ad hominum attacks, arguments from ignorance, from personal experience and strawman fallacies, probably could check for some more if you like.


I mostly do it just to put emphasis on how bad an idea is.

You know, just in case anyone decides to use the search function to find any relevant threads to read them over and get a full perspective of all sides of the discussion before posting.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#30 - 2014-07-13 13:06:13 UTC
Maximum Entropy wrote:

Man I wish EVE forum users had even a modicum of intelligence.

the irony of this scentance...oh my...i dont think.....no

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Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#31 - 2014-07-13 13:11:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaerakh
Maximum Entropy wrote:
-snip-


This is not a new idea. There are a slew of reasons why this is not done and others have already iterated on those reasons for why.

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Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#32 - 2014-07-13 13:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
Kaerakh wrote:
This is not a new idea. There are a slew of reasons why this is not done and others have already iterated on those reasons for why.

Oh no, You brought Doreen into this ... and I tried to avoid it so hard. (@dit: I saw what you did there - you sleeky sneaky editor)

And the reply of 'I can ping the server any time' as a counter argument to 'that you pay for the server access' being false is a new monument of the Mount Olympus of troll mentality and 'I haz zhe lasd wörd'
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#33 - 2014-07-13 13:55:09 UTC
Pretty obvious no.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#34 - 2014-07-13 14:06:28 UTC
This idea was now posted about 500 times and its still horrible. You say that missions should be the only way to grind SP? Seriously? I am trading and training newbies, when not FCing or herding my cats (corpmember). So you should be SP rewarded for your useless Missionrunning, where no one else in the community has an improvement of live, while someone like me who sacrifices his Eve time willingly so that other people can have fun will get nothing? Seriously?

Dumb idea, zero points, sit down.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-07-13 14:11:49 UTC
OP, in the future, please post these ideas in the proper thread.
Maximum Entropy
Entropic Principal
#36 - 2014-07-13 14:12:28 UTC
Karak Bol wrote:
This idea was now posted about 500 times and its still horrible. You say that missions should be the only way to grind SP? Seriously? I am trading and training newbies, when not FCing or herding my cats (corpmember). So you should be SP rewarded for your useless Missionrunning, where no one else in the community has an improvement of live, while someone like me who sacrifices his Eve time willingly so that other people can have fun will get nothing? Seriously?

Dumb idea, zero points, sit down.


Learn to read. I'm not advocating taking away timed training.

But you got your +1 post so I guess that's all that matters.

Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Maximum Entropy
Entropic Principal
#37 - 2014-07-13 14:16:40 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
Maximum Entropy wrote:
-snip-


This is not a new idea. There are a slew of reasons why this is not done and others have already iterated on those reasons for why.


I've read every single one of those reasons. They're all completely wrong, illogical, nonfactual, inconsistent, or just plan stupid. I have yet to be provided with a good reason not to do this.

I'm not saying take away timed training. I'm saying add more options for advancement, which is going to KEEP NEW PLAYERS SUBBED AND PLAYING. I realize that forum users don't give a **** about whether or not new players keep playing. But I play the game, not the forums, so I do care. CCP makes money from more subs, so they care.

Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-07-13 14:35:06 UTC
Maximum Entropy wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Maximum Entropy wrote:
-snip-


This is not a new idea. There are a slew of reasons why this is not done and others have already iterated on those reasons for why.


I've read every single one of those reasons. They're all completely wrong, illogical, nonfactual, inconsistent, or just plan stupid. I have yet to be provided with a good reason not to do this.

I'm not saying take away timed training. I'm saying add more options for advancement, which is going to KEEP NEW PLAYERS SUBBED AND PLAYING. I realize that forum users don't give a **** about whether or not new players keep playing. But I play the game, not the forums, so I do care. CCP makes money from more subs, so they care.


I was a new player once and I am still going to say no

Reason: Its completely wrong, illogical, nonfactual, inconsistent, or just plan stupid. I have yet to be provided with a good reason to do this

(see how silly I look saying that Cool)

Because Far-que... That's why.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#39 - 2014-07-13 16:23:31 UTC
...Must...refrain...from......

Ok, where were we, oh yes:

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